• authored by <yankeebythewater>
  • published Tue, Oct 22, 2002

If You Are So Tired With Unions

Brothers And Sisters Of Any Union:

If you people are tired of union/management tactics, it does only constitutute one picket sign to bring down an entire union, to shut down any store or factory, any construction site. All union members have that right! Any person does have the right to strike.

It appears to me, far too many people have followed, gulped up management/union tactics, and this has lead them to a pension plan that is now, non-existence, and yet - people still follow.

Where is the union? What has become of the union movement? What has become of the rank and file. We, must now educate.

Remember to vote - in November ~ it could well be instrumental.

  • posted by remote viewer
  • Wed, Oct 23, 2002 7:11am

I agree with you YBTW. Strikes are a very effective tool for workers. Wouldn't you know it, up here in Canada strikes are prohibited except during very specific periods of time (after negotiations for a new contract have broken down, mandatory conciliation has taken place and some bureaucratic paperwork has been issued by the government.) Outside of that window of opportunity union members who strike while their contract is in effect face dismissal, fines and even possible jail terms.

Notwithstanding this, there have been a couple of very high profile plant occupations in recent years where workers had just had it.

I guess one of the reasons that we are so excited about the Internet and are making use of it to communicate our messages is that - up here - the more traditional forms of workers' protest are illegal.

  • posted by T S
  • Wed, Oct 23, 2002 9:09am

Have unions reached the end of their effective usefullness? In BC the labour laws have changed so that a union can now bargain a contract that is sub standard to the Labour act. With the GREY WAVE fast approaching, many full rate top tier employee's will be retireing. Starting rates will be minimum wage or lower, benefits are only for the top tier, nobody stays long enough to become top tier. How long before there is NO point in being a union member?Labour laws sloped more towards employer rights than an Olympic downhill. Why pay dues for Minimum wage when 75% are only ever gonna be bottom rung part timers with no hope of a future with the company? What will they ever care IF there is a pension plan? Seems long ago Unions stopped being for the employee, and became more for the security of the employer. And if that is the ACTUAL fact then whats the point?

"Where is the union? What has become of the union movement? What has
become of the rank and file. We, must now educate. "

Education is a start.. the Union Is hiding playing the ostrich game, If i hide my head Nothing bad can Happen ( right Brooke). The rank and file have been demoted to low wage bottom feeders hoping for a few crumbs from the top. And the Union Movememnt has effectively sold themselves down the river, And it s hard to sail back up shit creek without a paddle, because you sold it for more dues!

  • posted by siggy
  • Wed, Oct 23, 2002 10:12am

Education and information is the first step back and that has begun. From all accounts it appears the Power Source will have to cut our losses and re-organize. The solidarity we believed we had has been washed, no matter how you cut it we are here. What are we gonna do about it?

  • posted by licatsplit
  • Wed, Oct 23, 2002 7:30pm


Where is the union? What has become of the union movement? What has become of the rank and file.

YBTW, we all know exactly what you're talking about and where you're coming from. Truth is, the union is right here! We see more communication, education, sharing, and solidarity in this forum than most people ever see within their official union. The union movement is also right here! Here and in other sites which place worker rights ahead of the greed, selfishness, and corruption that has become so prevalent within the business oriented unions. The rank and file are becoming more and more enlightened with the internet as a very prominent tool. They are here learning the truth through the interaction of others with the same concerns about the future of the power source. You are so right, it only takes ONE! It has to start somewhere and when one believes and has faith, they can accomplish more than they ever realized! For every flame, there had to be a spark! I think there are a whole lot of sparks here on this site! You may even be one!

  • posted by sleK
  • Wed, Oct 23, 2002 11:43pm


lot of sparks here on this site

Sparks... then smoke... then fire!

  • posted by <yankeebythewater>
  • Thu, Oct 24, 2002 4:46pm

If you are a union member, you have the right to strike. You can shut down any pulp mill, a Save-On. You have that right. I have seen this all before. You can be sued, blackballed. It only takes one union member to bring down an entire union.

Maybe the laws have changed, laws differ from the USA to Canada (province to province), I am no lawyer, but I do know when you finally get to a stage when you have had enough of your union, you tire. You will strike. It is a spark.

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