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  • authored by DeMoN
  • published Thu, Apr 18, 2002

CAW files for certification at Maple Grove

Well happy days are here for all the CAW supporters at Maple Grove, yesterday (Apr.17) at 2:00pm EST the CAW informed the UFCW that an application for Certification has been filed with the MOL.

The representation vote will take place after the return of the striking OPSEU members (soon I hope).

Currently there are going to be 2 chooses on the ballot 1)CAW 2)no union

If the UFCW applies for certification then they will be included on the ballot (if they can get 40%).

I'll keep you informed on the representation vote and anything else that comes up as it happens.

  • posted by Dougle
  • Thu, Apr 18, 2002 12:33pm

Congratulations CAW for finally filing. Why couldn't the CAW wait untill OPSEU is back? I'm sure that the people under contract on the inside, doing a work slow down to help their co-workers on the street, really enjoy the extra paperwork that the CAW has Faxed them. Thanks for the support CAW!

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Thu, Apr 18, 2002 12:45pm

Look up www.caw.ca and check out [dougle] the CAW's support of OPSEU.
The CAW supports more picket-lines than the ufcw.
The CAW was able to cross the picket line because Leah Casselman
gave the CAW permission.
OPSEU understands the sneakiness of biz-unions oppression of us.
Understand NO SCABS will be touching the CAW filing.
As appreciation myself I shall go march with OPSEU on their picket-lines.
Understand OPSEU and the CAW made an exception for Mgrove JUSTICE
Thank-you to both OPSEU and CAW

  • posted by eagle_one
  • Thu, Apr 18, 2002 6:12pm

Now we'll see just who's the phoney tough and who's the crazy brave. Oooh yeah!

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Thu, Apr 18, 2002 9:12pm

Call a spade a spade the Almighty CAW crossed a picket line to get this application,
On the letter it even says delivered by hand so John Aman must have snuck right through.
The CAW can not be trusted and that is a proven fact.
Note for DeMoN;
Keep up your laughing at me and trying hard to piss me off, will just make it personal, do us both a favour you see me around work look the other way and I will too.

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Thu, Apr 18, 2002 9:25pm

Phoney tough? No way man! Not when you stand with the CAW we stand with PRIDE.
The more we learn of UFCW the more we understand what the hell we are doing at Maplegrove.
We learn of a bad bad example of a Union,the scum at the trough are enlightening.
We need no part of this ununion union. Some of the education comes day to day on the floor,
education also comes through our ELDERS,other education comes through all you people in
MFD cyber-land,as well as REAP. It is astounding to learn of all the terrible things within UFCW,
I can not believe "members in action" have NO FEAR.
The backbone of the membersheep needs a full CAW propping UP.
It can happen with an EDUCATED VOTE.

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Thu, Apr 18, 2002 9:28pm

quote:


posted by wannabeCAW:
Phoney tough? No way man! Not when you stand with the CAW we stand with PRIDE.
The more we learn of UFCW the more we understand what the hell we are doing at Maplegrove.
We learn of a bad bad example of a Union,the scum at the trough are enlightening.
We need no part of this ununion union. Some of the education comes day to day on the floor,
education also comes through our ELDERS,other education comes through all you people in
MFD cyber-land,as well as REAP. It is astounding to learn of all the terrible things within UFCW,
I can not believe "members in action" have NO FEAR.
The backbone of the membersheep needs a full CAW propping UP.
It can happen with an EDUCATED VOTE.


Please John give me a break!!!!!!
Your Union (CAW) crossed a picket line
quit selling your brothers and sisters out at Erin Mills., Im sure they are real proud of you!

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Thu, Apr 18, 2002 9:42pm

Scotty Lester I ask you go get to work and ask YOUR mentors:
how can Mr.Rock be DENIED pay for sick leave as in Doctor ORDERED
time off for STRESS&DEPRESSION????
Scotty realize the UFCW is responsible for their OWN DEMISE.
We understand your frustrations but you have to learn to redirect it.
Scott I trust you did not intimidate or participate in fraudulent card signings!
Come back home to St.Thomas and lets drink beer and laugh again.
Again Scott don't be mad at us for trying to better OUR workplace.

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Thu, Apr 18, 2002 9:48pm

Yeah Johnny I would like to come home for a beer, You know what corner im in and I know you are in the other.
The gloves are off and its time to play dirty!!
After this is done either way I would love to have a few beers with you though

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Thu, Apr 18, 2002 9:57pm

My former co-workers know we have been taken huge advantage of by a select few who benefit
from our roll-backs in 1994. We still have not caught up to where we were YEARS ago.
The boys from the MILL have contacted the CAW for a rescue as well.......
but unfortunately they have to wait by law.
I believe the only ones who are pissed at me are the fellas who are scared sheep[via ufcw]
and those whose salary depends on the 1000a warehouse division,and also people who have
been subject to MISINFORMATION from your ''action commitee'' and such.
I'm fighting for senior men while your fighting for ?????????

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Thu, Apr 18, 2002 10:20pm

Johnny I totally DISAGREE with you, I am good friends with people from "The Mill" that have been around for years.
They support the UFCW as of right now!
Yes they were upset at one point but they know whats best for them.
My friend when people talk about you that used to work beside you from "The Mill" they shake there heads.
I am positive that they do not share the same views as you,
If you feel you are right why are they not backing you up?????????

  • posted by siggy
  • Thu, Apr 18, 2002 10:30pm

UFCW's_Scott and wannabeCAW this is your chance to list the advantages of belonging to the machine you are advocating, point by point.

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Fri, Apr 19, 2002 6:18am

siggy, you know it's a waste of time to get the UFCW supporters to address the issues, all they will do is say something to re-direct the discussion (like name calling) etc.......

We've been asking that question for almost 9 months at Maple Grove and the only answer we get is "we voted to give you these jobs, you should be happy to have jobs).

The "untouchables" at Maple Grove are still in shock about the application for certification, I guess the UFCW executive has been lieing to their membership about how little support they really have at Maple Grove (they think a signed card is a vote for them) how naive can you get!

The UFCW's lack of organizing skills and their predictability is laughable! John Aman has predicted every move the UFCW has made since the campaign started and has responded accordingly. I guess when you have all you dues paying members handed to you on a silver platter through "Auto Wrecks" you never hone your organizing skills.

Lets hope that there will be changes made to the "No Raiding" laungage in the CLC constitution (convention this summer in B.C.) so that real unions can rescue the rest of the unfortunate UFCW members stuck in long term concessionary agreements. It's time to wipe this oppressive NON union off the face of the earth, (it's not worth saving).

Every "real" union member has spoken

edit = typo

  • posted by Shadow
  • Fri, Apr 19, 2002 9:08am

quote:


Your Union (CAW) crossed a picket line
quit selling your brothers and sisters out at Erin Mills., Im sure they are real proud of you!


Scott are you suggesting that there's something wrong with a union applying for certification? Give me a break. A lot of the staff at the OLRB are not in OPSEU and the OLRB is continuing to operate. What if the strike drags on for months? Are you, good union guy that you are, saying there should be no certifications, no unfair labour practice hearings, no hearings into Health and Safety Act violations, no hearings into anything during that time? Has the UFCW had business at the OLRB since the strike began?

  • posted by fedupwithufcw
  • Fri, Apr 19, 2002 12:54pm

quote:


Lets hope that there will be changes made to the "No Raiding" laungage in the CLC constitution (convention this summer in B.C.) so that real unions can rescue the rest of the unfortunate UFCW members stuck in long term concessionary agreements. It's time to wipe this oppressive NON union off the face of the earth, (it's not worth saving).


Oh baby yeah! I hate this rat bag "non union" and would give my left arm to get out of it and still keep my job. These guys cheated their way into power and now they're gonna sell us out again. How come the CAW is going to save you guys and not us? everybody here feels doomed give us some hope man, free 1518!

  • posted by remote viewer
  • Fri, Apr 19, 2002 1:07pm

I don't think that there is anything that stops a group of workers from approaching any union (including the CAW) and saying "we've had it with our union and would like to know what yours could do for us" or words to that effect.

Some unions might balk because of the CLC no-raid rule but I'll bet some might be interested. The CAW is clearly taking on the UFCW in a number of different units, whatever the CLC may think about that.

Workers may need to be proactive about this. I don't think the CLC-affiliated will approach you directly and ask if you want to join but if you approach them - who knows.

Tell them it's not a raid - it's a rescue.

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Fri, Apr 19, 2002 1:56pm

Absolute this is a RESCUE
Thanks to the CAW crew for the chance of freedom from Oppresive,regressive,shady
concessionary,company reserves all the rights UNIONS.
Mr.Hargrove one day shall sit in history, as one of the greatest labour leaders of all time.
Buzz along with Mr Bob White belong in Labours Hall of Fame.
Mr.fedupwithufcw the UFCW truly belongs in Labours Hall of Shame. I agree and feel it.
Remember the Barn Store mistake authoured by 1000a President Corporon.
Well now he is at it again with a personal attack on Mr Hargrove.
The attack is going to be countered.
At the end of the day if the CAW is NOT pleased with Mr Hargroves performance he is subject to losing at elections which are held EVERY 3 years.
While Mr Corporan was NOT ELECTED in the same democratic manner he continues to
stay as President while members DOUBT his effectiveness.
I do not want to confuse the Maplegrove issue but Guiliano has put his neck out exposing
"ufcw's sh*tty leadership" I do not think www.reap.org has an ounce of lies in the bearing
of unwelcome facts and figures about UFCW.
If REAP were lying the UFCW would have a slandering lawsuit!
But no from what I am learning the UFCW is a terrible example of unionism CONTINENT
WIDE.

What nerve! The UFCW 1000a president and the "Members in Action"
SLANDERING the CAW.
I know the CAW is the better union and you can bet your bottom $ the CAW has more satisfied members than the UFCW will ever EVER have

  • posted by Scott Mcpherson
  • Fri, Apr 19, 2002 4:15pm

quote:


posted by UFCW's_Scott:
You know what corner im in and I know you are in the other.
The gloves are off and its time to play dirty!!


Precisely why people shouldn't vote for the UFCW. It's clear a persons choice isn't as important as your view of what makes a good union member [blind support]Rather than trying to screw people who want to join the CAW I would think you'd be a great deal more interested in trying to demonstrate the virtues of the UFCW. Are we to assume then that because you havn't taken the high road it's because of the lack of material to support such a strategy? Too bad for you I guess.

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Fri, Apr 19, 2002 5:15pm

quote:


posted by Scott Mcpherson:

quote:


posted by UFCW's_Scott:
You know what corner im in and I know you are in the other.
The gloves are off and its time to play dirty!!

 

Precisely why people shouldn't vote for the UFCW. It's clear a persons choice isn't as important as your view of what makes a good union member [blind support]Rather than trying to screw people who want to join the CAW I would think you'd be a great deal more interested in trying to demonstrate the virtues of the UFCW. Are we to assume then that because you havn't taken the high road it's because of the lack of material to support such a strategy? Too bad for you I guess.


Scott why do you even bother honestly you are on the other side of the country and everytime i have something to say you always have to put your 2 cents in?
Whats up with that?
Are yo that bored that you need to stick your nose in to business happing another time zone away.
Time to get a hobby, I heard that stamp collecting is quite relaxing,
If you want send me your address and I will send you a couple of stamps to get your new collection started. Damn I think I even have one from way back in 1982

  • posted by Shadow
  • Fri, Apr 19, 2002 5:26pm

Just because somebody's on the other side of the country does that mean they can't or shouldn't be interested in what's happening with workers in some other place? Some of your brothers and sisters are interested in talking to the world about what's going on at the Maplegrove warehouse and the world is talking with them. Sorry, it's just not that easy to shut down the discussion out here in cyberspace.

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Fri, Apr 19, 2002 6:26pm

BASIL HARGROVE = SCAB

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Fri, Apr 19, 2002 6:57pm

Lester the gloves are off? Put them back on cause your going to disgrace yourself!

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Fri, Apr 19, 2002 7:24pm

quote:


posted by wannabeCAW:
Lester the gloves are off? Put them back on cause your going to disgrace yourself!


Damn thanks John I really did need a good laugh!!!
woooooohoooo tension breaker

  • posted by weiser
  • Fri, Apr 19, 2002 8:23pm

Again, the best the UFCW trolls can do is to call names. Not once, not even one time have UFCW supporters been able to give a factual reason why the UFCW is superior and why anyone would want to join the UFCW.

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Fri, Apr 19, 2002 9:22pm

when my six year old says he likes the red freezee and i tel him that the blue is better.
do i shove the blue one down his face?
scew it i'm pissed take it the way you now best.
Scabs will always e SCABS!
UNIONISIM?????
doug

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Fri, Apr 19, 2002 9:34pm

weiser what is you point on the fact that your friendly caw pals crossed the picket line, asked scabs to work???
it is really simple.
this is not the time or the situation to bullshit.
be real in your comments and try not to conspire through your bitterness to hider proper process and natural progression.
dmack

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Fri, Apr 19, 2002 9:59pm

Doug, why are the untouchables reacting like this vote is unexpected, did the UFCW exec. lie to you again? You knew from the moment the UFCW offered that abomination (letter of understanding #6) to the membership for a vote that there would be trouble at Maple Grove. Do you really think the new hires are so stupid they can't figure out that the union is only protecting the untouchables and could care less about the other 450 (out of 575) members!

Now that the application is in, the membership will finally get a say in who will represent them, and what will go into the collective agreement.

It's so nice to see the smug look on the faces of the unthouchables has been replaced by the look of fear......! I actually look forward to going into work again

Lets start thinking about what we want in the new collective agreement and how we're going to improve the working conditions at Maple Grove.

The membership has spoken

  • posted by remote viewer
  • Sat, Apr 20, 2002 4:46am

Gosh Doug, if the CAW filing an application for certification is "scabbing", what do you call it when a union sets up a "special" local with a business-friendly contract just because the company insists on it?

I think someone asked you if the UFCW has had any business at the OLRB during the OPSEU strike? Can you answer that for us?

Also, since you seem so upset about the CAW filing applications for cert during the OPSEU strike, what have you done to support the striking OPSEU members? Have you shown support by visiting a picket line or taking part in a rally? Have you made a donation to their strike fund? Have you encouraged other UFCW members to do the same? What has the UFCW done to support OPSEU? Or is that "supporting your brothers and sisters" stuff just for chumps?

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Sat, Apr 20, 2002 6:03am

remote viewer, the fact that the UFCW applied for certifacation the day after the CAW did, means they had to visit the OLRB and "cross the OPSEU picket line". What does that make them??

The UFCW will find out the hard way (like they always do) it's not nice to call names when you don't know the whole story. Buzz Hargrove (CAW) doesn't take this kind of crap sitting down and I don't think Leah Casselman (OPSEU) is going to be too happy either.

The membership has spoken

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Sat, Apr 20, 2002 8:24am

DeMoN you really are a peice of work!
Of course that we had to file the application, Just like the Movie Rambo "who drew first blood"?
Why do you guys always have an excuse for what you are doing?
First of all It was a raid I believe you have already agreed to that.
And second Basil Hargrove let the organizers cross the picket line to apply for certification.
Shame on him!
Oh I have a serious question for you, Honestly how many unions have the workers from Kitchener have had?

  • posted by remote viewer
  • Sat, Apr 20, 2002 8:57am

Maybe now would be a good time to have an "all candidates" debate? I think someone mentioned this earlier but with a vote coming up, it may be a really good idea. That way workers could hear from and ask questions of both unions and make up their minds based on the issues that are most important to them.

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Sat, Apr 20, 2002 9:01am

Scott, if you crossed the OPSEU picket line are you going to be handing out fliers today that say "UFCW SCABS cross picket line, KEVIN (SCAB) CORPORON, shame on you".

Scott we've already proven that this is not a raid, if it was the CAW wouldn't be there organizing and you would have filed charges with the CLC.

You will be finding out next week (again) how unprofessional and uninformed your UFCW organizers are.

Again I would like to thank you (scott) for all your help in our campaign.

Oh, you can now go back to telling your lies to the P/T employees about getting $8.00 with the CAW..... (is that all you have to offer the P/T to defend the UFCW).


The membership has spoken

  • posted by weiser
  • Sat, Apr 20, 2002 9:33am

quote:


posted by doug mackenzie:
weiser what is you point on the fact that your friendly caw pals crossed the picket line, asked scabs to work???
it is really simple.
this is not the time or the situation to bullshit.
be real in your comments and try not to conspire through your bitterness to hider proper process and natural progression.
dmack




I'll try to respond, but I'm not sure what the heck you're talking about.

From my understanding, no one from the CAW crossed any picket line.

I understand that certified permission was given by Leah Casselman for the CAW to file its application. I don't know of a union that would let their strike prevent other workers from choosing to belong to a union of their choice.

I suspect that the bitterness of which you speak lays more in your mind than in mine. You seem bitter that a vote is imminent. You have bragged that the UFCW has Maplegrove in the bag. Now, you don't seem so confident. Why is that?

I'd think that you would be elated that OPSEU has lent a hand to ensure workers' rights in the choosing of union representation. Instead, you spew vitriol.

Doug, my man, this vote is a good thing. It is something every worker should celebrate. The workers will have their say, they will say so through 'proper process and natural progression.'

Rather than carping on this site, you may do better to use its availability to tell the world why your UFCW is the best.

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Sat, Apr 20, 2002 10:25am

quote:


posted by DeMoN:
Scott we've already proven that this is not a raid, if it was the CAW wouldn't be there organizing and you would have filed charges with the CLC.

Nobody has proven that it is not a raid or is it cause that Roger has told you it is not????

You will be finding out next week (again) how unprofessional and uninformed your UFCW organizers are.

unprofessional and uninformed ????? oh come on now!

Again I would like to thank you (scott) for all your help in our campaign.

After the vote dude i will show you how many i have changed over. It is true i have pissed off a lot of Kitchener Top rate guys and quite frankly I am very proud of that, Like I said before there is no way of changing Some people's minds so why not screw with there heads?
SORRY I HAVE TO BE ME!

Oh, you can now go back to telling your lies to the P/T employees about getting $8.00 with the CAW.....

I have proven that you CAW members do not look after the PT employees, I Believe that the GREAT A&P contract gives them 2 dollars an hour less is this true?


The membership has spoken


Nope just your BS lies like always

I have spoken

  • posted by weiser
  • Sat, Apr 20, 2002 10:35am

"UFCW's_Scott" as usual, you "have spoken", but as usual, you have said nothing.

Not once have you or any of your pals been able to refute, nor have you been able to defend any of the UFCW facts published on these pages and in the various threads.

I would surmise by your behaviour that you hope to divert attention away from the UFCW's abysmal track record and controversial activities by making baseless acusations against the CAW and any of its supporters.

C'mon, tell us not about what you dislike about the CAW, but tell us why the UFCW is the best choice for working Canadians.

Tell us how partnering agreements and secret deals work in the best interests of Canadian Workers.

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Sat, Apr 20, 2002 2:23pm

Scott who is your room-mate?
Are you guys still having a joke about me?

I like the CAW's Constitution relating to No agreements exceeding 3 yrs.
In 12 years the least amount of times to bargain is 4 times.
The UFCW seems to have an unwritten rule of taking 6 year deals to
their membership,so in 12 years you can bargain only twice.
Your UFCW knows that when you bargain that is where you get little
gain after little gain.
Scott should Dr. ordered time off for stress and depression be
covered under WI??
What do you think? I know what your union communicated to the
poor affected individual. They will NOT PAY.
I also like the idea of changing our break-times [twice last week] NOT.
You UFCW guys COMPLY with the company without any REAL resistance
for what is supposed to be our RIGHTS.
But sorry I forgot the UFCW made a big mistake by agreeing to a totally
one sided agreement ALL in the companies favor.
Scott you are a punk who needs a wake up, watch your posts cause YOU
will be held accountable for non-sense.
SELL-OUT JOHN E???? I have nothing to sell. My morals are in check so far.
Compared to the UFCW I just want the SUPERIOR UNION with a better
Education system,better representation,better bargainers,more resources.
More satisfied members,more professional newsletters.
Better flying squads, more accesible leadership. I like the fact the CAW
National President is bound to Collective Agreement, and also the set-up
of their Public Inquiry board to settle internal differences and appeals.
But the best thing I like about the CAW as compared to the UFCW is it
is a members union rather than a dictatorial union exec. union.
Look at all the bad stories and facts about the UFCW. Find me sites that
are critical of the CAW, have not heard of none yet. I'm sure you would
let us know! I also know the UFCW pales in comparision to the CAW
in regards to their web-sites.
I also know that the CAW bargains on fact and not sheepish fear.
The CAW has better more honest # crunchers who figure out the
misinformation from the Power-Pigs.
The CAW has more presence in the Social Justice scene.
The CAW supports union men adversly affected by strike and lockouts
by way of funding and by way of huge LINE support.
Today hundreds of CAW members are out on the front lines with OPSEU
I'm sure a couple UFCW men must be out there somewhere lending
some miniscule ufcw support.
I wear my CAW gear with great anticipation of a UFCW collapse at
Mgrove. I wear my CAW gear also with great pride and that pride
will never be diminished especially if you UFCW tools get your way.
You will have to understand the day will come if not soon then a
little later that the UFCW will be nothing but a sour memory.
You can only get away with deceit for so long, people are not stupid.
Your UFCW vote relies on fear,essentially making SHEEP.
They know how to scare people with the Wal-Mart thing and the
famous but not so true "YOU ARE LUCKY TO HAVE A JOB"
If the ufcw had any real bargaining power in the warehouse
division the warehouses would have a Master Agreement that
would expire at the same time across the board.
Us CAW guys pending victory will have to clean up the mess
you will leave behind,the biggest mess being language the second
mess is the pen-full of sheep.
Scott from your rants I think you have the distinction of being the
LARGEST SHEEP. Keep on laughing with {who is he} your
room-mate. Why don't you laugh all the way back to Mississauga.
Scott What # are you in Maplegrove? How many years if not
months have you been with the company? What # is your room-
mate? What is his name? Maybe I can make him

laugh harder.
Have you ever seen a person when you don't know whether
they are laughing or crying,I have

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Sat, Apr 20, 2002 3:03pm

HAPPY 4 20 --peace--

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Sat, Apr 20, 2002 3:53pm

Quote from Wannabecaw;
Scott What # are you in Maplegrove? How many years if not
months have you been with the company?

OK there smart-ass, lets put it this way i am at top rate and I have been for a while!

What # is your room-
mate? What is his name? Maybe I can make him
laugh harder.

Is that a threat??????

Have you ever seen a person when you don't know whether
they are laughing or crying,I have

You think Im some kinda pussy and I back-down in front of conflict, Damn brother maybe you should go to Burtys and ask around about me!

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Sat, Apr 20, 2002 4:25pm

Scott I just got back from Burty Bobs,They say you are psycho maniac drunken brawler.
I could never imagined LOL----I like you most because you post your name!
But I believe we will have to wait for vote to see where to go from there.
I would like to know who is the laughing room-mate?

  • posted by weiser
  • Sat, Apr 20, 2002 5:49pm

Hey, let's not get into too much name calling here. I have an idea. If there's a vote happenin', why don't the CAW supporters post some of the CAW material and the UFCW supporters can post some of the UFCW material.

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Sat, Apr 20, 2002 7:24pm

Good point Weiser, Alright I have a point:
If CAW won a vote they would blend the Transport and Warehouse Divisions as they do in all their warehouses. This means that every warehouse worker would be in a position to be knocked down from one (1) to over one-hundred and fifty (150) slots on the seniority list.
Now that Sucks!

  • posted by siggy
  • Sat, Apr 20, 2002 8:05pm

quote:


Good point Weiser,


Ah .. ever seen him/her make a bad one?

quote:


Alright I have a point:


quote:


If CAW won a vote they would blend the Transport and Warehouse Divisions as they do in all their warehouses.


Are you sure this is what they will do in the MG case?

quote:


This means that every warehouse worker would be in a position to be knocked down from one (1) to over one-hundred and fifty (150) slots on the seniority list.


If it stays status quo people lose, if it goes by proper seniority people lose, just different people.

But at least if it goes by seniority the people who lose have a shot at moving up the ladder. If it doesn't then everyone loses.

quote:


Now that Sucks!


Only for the short term.

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Sat, Apr 20, 2002 8:58pm

scott, you talk like you don't like the drivers!

They are your union brothers and you deny them the same rights as you have, but you would allow anyone from any of the other 1000a warehouses to come into our warehouse and bump you down in seniority....... is that your idea of solidarity!

Joining the warehouse and transport together makes a much stronger union (not weaker). The numbers change on the seniority list but it's not often that anyone comes in from transport or goes out from the warehouse.

If someone can no longer drive, would you tell him he is not wanted in the warehouse and tell him to go piss off!

Scott, what about the 1000 or so members in the rest of the 1000a warehouses that will be closed, how will that affect your # on the seniority list when they bump into Maple Grove using the "transfer of work" language to bump you out of you job?

Hmmmm....... something to think about!

  • posted by Beaver
  • Fri, Apr 26, 2002 1:02pm

That is B.S. in the CAW leaflet about the CAW checking out OPSEU's protocal for crossing their picket line. If the CAW is claiming unfair labour practice, then why didn't they file the application before the strike. (They knew it was a good possibility)

I think they barely had 40% of the cards signed and were afraid of new hires diluting their support.

What about democracy????????

  • posted by weiser
  • Fri, Apr 26, 2002 1:13pm

Two points:

1) Beaver, get back to work and quit wasting company time.

2) I just don't get it. If the UFCW is so strong on workers' rights, why the heck aren't they chompin' at the bit to get on with the vote. The workers will make a choice, and no matter how it turns out, the UFCW should be happy. I think Greg Air said it best after the Saskatchewan fiasco:

quote:


...the members had final say. "The membership is happy and that's all that matters,"


  • posted by Scott Mcpherson
  • Fri, Apr 26, 2002 4:17pm

quote:


Scott why do you even bother honestly you are on the other side of the country and everytime i have something to say you always have to put your 2 cents in?


There you go with the childish behaviour again. I wonder when you are going to clue in that what happens to one happens to all. Let me share...again....my favorite poem writen by a person who was killed in a Natzi Death camp in the 40's.

quote:


In Germany the Natzi's came for the communists
and I did not speak up because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the Jew's
and I did not speak up because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Trade unionists
and I did not speak up because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics
and I did not speak up because I was a Protestant.
And then they came for me...
but there was no one left to speak up.


Those who do not learn from the past are condemed to repeat it brother Scott. The sooner you come to realize that what happens to any worker regardless of where they work, who they work for or what if any union they belong to effects and impacts your life, the sooner you'll truely become a trade unionist. And not a min sooner.

  • posted by smile
  • Sun, Apr 28, 2002 2:11pm

Well I hope CAW gets into Maplegrove and then I hope they come see us at Zehrs. It is getting to be that time and we have not forgotten the BIG raises that our executive gave themselves.

  • posted by lefkenny
  • Sun, Apr 28, 2002 2:15pm

A very warm welcome smile.

aboutunions

  • posted by Johnny Roberts
  • Sun, Apr 28, 2002 4:47pm

I'm with "smile" on this one. If CAW is sucessful in representing the workers at MapleGrove, UFCW has no one to blame but itself. Had it been the kind of union that fought for the workers interests, and not the bosses or themselves they would not have had anything to fear from dissent in their ranks.
Unfortunately, years of rollbacks, concessions, 6yr. "contracts", attacks on anyone who dare question their rule or authority and just a general "pissing away" of workers rights has made UFCW the "laughing stock of the trade union movement".
I would "suggest" that if a free and fair vote took place at Zehrs today the CAW would have no trouble in dumping UFCW as the union of choice!

  • posted by <Red>
  • Sun, Apr 28, 2002 4:55pm

Johnny and smile,

Have you thought about forming your own union like these former UFCWers on the East Coast did:url=http://www.ufcw.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000200]New Packinghouse Union in Canada?[/url]

  • posted by <Red>
  • Sun, Apr 28, 2002 4:56pm

Sorry here's the link.

  • posted by smile
  • Sun, Apr 28, 2002 5:48pm

Johnny I know that CAW would certainly give UFCW a run for their money. It is about time that we get someone who isn't sleeping with the company and wants to stand up for our rights.

  • posted by remote viewer
  • Sun, Apr 28, 2002 5:55pm

Hi smile and welcome to the MFD forum.

Workplace representation is all about choices and don't let anyone tell you it isn't.

What's it like to be where you are? People need to hear more about this. The biz-unions like to tell everyone that the members are happy. Maybe if everyone hears from the members, they'll understand things differently.

  • posted by HJFinnamore
  • Sun, Apr 28, 2002 7:25pm

Hi Smile. Here is something Buzz Hargrove said:

quote:


'We don't want to get caught in this co-management, this jointness that the union simply becomes a police force for the company to keep the workers in line.' -- Buzz Hargrove.


In the same article, here's what the UFCW's Cliff Evans said in a pullout from the same article:

quote:


...'You have to take a look at the industry and what technologies are available and how the companies can be made to be competitive.' The speaker is Cliff Evans, president of the 175,000-member United Food and Commercial Workers union, who meets with the Grocery Products Manufacturers of Canada-165 companies who say they account for 10% of the gross domestic product-to discuss what's best for the industry as a whole....


  • posted by <OPSEU Member>
  • Mon, Apr 29, 2002 10:46am

quote:


posted by wannabeCAW:
Look up www.caw.ca and check out [dougle] the CAW's support of OPSEU.
The CAW supports more picket-lines than the ufcw.
The CAW was able to cross the picket line because Leah Casselman
gave the CAW permission.
OPSEU understands the sneakiness of biz-unions oppression of us.
Understand NO SCABS will be touching the CAW filing.
As appreciation myself I shall go march with OPSEU on their picket-lines.
Understand OPSEU and the CAW made an exception for Mgrove JUSTICE
Thank-you to both OPSEU and CAW


  • posted by <OPSEU Member>
  • Mon, Apr 29, 2002 11:06am

quote:


posted by wannabeCAW:
Look up www.caw.ca and check out [dougle] the CAW's support of OPSEU.
The CAW supports more picket-lines than the ufcw.
The CAW was able to cross the picket line because Leah Casselman
gave the CAW permission.
OPSEU understands the sneakiness of biz-unions oppression of us.
Understand NO SCABS will be touching the CAW filing.
As appreciation myself I shall go march with OPSEU on their picket-lines.
Understand OPSEU and the CAW made an exception for Mgrove JUSTICE
Thank-you to both OPSEU and CAW


  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Mon, Apr 29, 2002 7:47pm

I take offence to that quote The one about the Germans and Prodies. Some people are trying to be smarter than they are. Read it clearly and now laugh at yourself, you idiot.
The propaganda from both the UFCW and c a w is always in our face at Maplegrove.
Facts are facts! When has the caw ever provided anything but promises and 'they could do it comments'. Negotiate a better contract for Maplegrove workers? Who says? Why?
Still wiating for Casselmen's letter to Basil giving him permission to cross the picket line.
Bullshit!
DEMOCRACY=probably about 100 employees at Maplegrove who will not be able to vote, isn't that how all this started??????
DEMOCRACY DEMOCRACY DEMOCRACY
Lets all get together and vote to change the things that we do not like. The membership make the union. The Maplegrove membership is strong and is a force that will not be denied. I believe that and I will stand by that.
Challenge the process not just the result.
later
dmack

  • posted by weiser
  • Mon, Apr 29, 2002 7:57pm

Doug, you can't even get your UFCW to hold a GMM. Don't tell us about UFCW democracy.

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Mon, Apr 29, 2002 9:10pm

Weiser there is a GMM on May 1 2002!
Should be interesting with everything happening.
Hope my flubug gets controlled so I can attend!

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Mon, Apr 29, 2002 10:20pm

quote:


posted by weiser:
Doug, you can't even get your UFCW to hold a GMM. Don't tell us about UFCW democracy.


There is a general meeting this wed. are you guys going to be there???

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Tue, Apr 30, 2002 5:28am

Regarding the GMM for Maplegrove and Pinebush:
Rumour has it that an amendment will be made towards
the downgrade clause. I hope this is true so that seniority
will be the ruling factor involving downgrades.
On another topic what is INNOCENT ABSENTEEISM?
And I am expecting to be clarified on the refusal of
coverage for DOCTOR ordered time off for stress and
depression. Seems fishy not to be covered.
If someone loses it postal style who is to blame???

  • posted by smile
  • Tue, Apr 30, 2002 5:47am

WannabeCAW Good luck at your meeting on Wed. I hope that you get the answers.

  • posted by Scott Mcpherson
  • Tue, Apr 30, 2002 6:42pm

quote:


I take offence to that quote The one about the Germans and Prodies. Some people are trying to be smarter than they are. Read it clearly and now laugh at yourself, you idiot.


I suppose I'd be more bothered by that statment if I didn't take into consideration the source. The fact it's clear you lack a single original thought of your own is pathetic to say the least. You are the kind of man the UFCW and employers alike have build their empires on. You question nothing, your blind to everything and quite frankly I couldn't give a rats ass what offends you.

If you were anywhere close to as intelligent as you seem to think you are you would understand that "poem" [not a quote] speaks to people keeping quite about things that don't directly effect them while others suffer. [what ever type of suffering that may be] Which answers the question as to why I stick my nose in other peoples business. The very fact you take offence to it speaks to the level of personal integrity you have [or rather lack] and quite frankly I hope you do manage to stay in the UFCW because you truely deserve everything they have to offer.

  • posted by <Eric>
  • Wed, May 1, 2002 5:11am

Maplegrove has been running since august.over 8 months and now the ufcw,feeling the end drawing near decides to have a general members meeting. Too little too late guys!!! Maybe you would have kept this 175ers vote had you not left us at the mercy of an inept mngmnt's "carte blanche" intimidations.....and no,, i haven't been paid yet for my stress leave ,which was doctor approved.

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Wed, May 1, 2002 3:54pm

It is with regret I am unable to attend our GMM The flu has me down!
On a note to Smile; You workers need a CAW rescue in the stores as well!
I am glad that the workers in 1977 realize the UFCW is a farce!
Most of the people who defend them in Maplegrove fear a full reposting of jobs!
On a note to Scott M. I absolutely agree that poem is a reminder that selfishness
will bite these guys in the butt.
And finally to Eric whether it be local 1000a 175 or 1977 the whole of UFCW would be best
sent packing and replaced with the CAW, which will put workers interests first.
Eric when we vote, be confident when I say the CAW is our BEST alternative.
I find it truly abhorable NO PAY for DR. ordered time off.
Thanks UFCW Thanks for the MISINFORMATION ******* Only your pen-full of Sheep Agree
with you.

  • posted by smile
  • Wed, May 1, 2002 3:54pm

quote:


posted by Johnny Roberts:
I'm with "smile" on this one. If CAW is sucessful in representing the workers at MapleGrove, UFCW has no one to blame but itself. Had it been the kind of union that fought for the workers interests, and not the bosses or themselves they would not have had anything to fear from dissent in their ranks.
Unfortunately, years of rollbacks, concessions, 6yr. "contracts", attacks on anyone who dare question their rule or authority and just a general "pissing away" of workers rights has made UFCW the "laughing stock of the trade union movement".
I would "suggest" that if a free and fair vote took place at Zehrs today the CAW would have no trouble in dumping UFCW as the union of choice!


Ok so what are we going to do about it?

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Wed, May 1, 2002 4:06pm

If the workers at the stores feel they are not being represented fairly they should contact the
Labour board. Beleive me you the files are piling up against the UFCW and it will continue!
Contact the Organizing Dept at the CAW website and seee what they can do for YOUR RESCUE.
I understand that Buzz Hargrove and the CAW will be addressing OUR concerns at the CLC
convention in June. Oppression must stop especially from these Biz-unions.
I urge you SMILE again contact www.caw.ca and see what they can do

  • posted by Michael
  • Wed, May 1, 2002 10:55pm

quote:


posted by wannabeCAW:
Scotty Lester I ask you go get to work and ask YOUR mentors:
how can Mr.Rock be DENIED pay for sick leave as in Doctor ORDERED
time off for STRESS&DEPRESSION????
Scotty realize the UFCW is responsible for their OWN DEMISE.
We understand your frustrations but you have to learn to redirect it.
Scott I trust you did not intimidate or participate in fraudulent card signings!
Come back home to St.Thomas and lets drink beer and laugh again.
Again Scott don't be mad at us for trying to better OUR workplace.


Talk about fraudulent card signings. Caw members in perishable dept. were taken to task. Caw. were trying to get support by telling people that if they want to be on a mailing list all they had to do was sign a card. When asked by the employee if he was signing for representation he was told "NO"
Hey Scotty don't you do it but it is ok for Caw to do it......it's the only way they could of gotten this far.....

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Thu, May 2, 2002 1:39am

The UFCW is grabbing at straws again.
The UFCW is losing members from coast to coast BY THE WORKERS CHOICE!
UFCW members are waiting in line for their opportunity to become CAW!
The UFCW is full of negativity as per MFD as per REAP as per it's own members!
Wash away UFCW , Wash away the workforce peddlars.
Canadians are routing for us at Maplegrove VOTE CAW It's OUR FUTURE

  • posted by <caw4transport>
  • Thu, May 2, 2002 6:39am

Wannabecaw: "Wash Away Ufcw", a very fitting quote. I would have to say the workers at Fortino,s are thinking the same thing. I,ve been reading the submissions from the company, and the ufcw in regards to the fortino,s facilty in Hamilton, and I can,t believe the company just doesn,t want the fortino,s workers to have a vote, which is there democratic right!

  • posted by <General Meeting>
  • Thu, May 2, 2002 6:45am

Local 1000a held there general membership meeting in Cambridge on Wed. What was said at the meeting? Any Surprise? give MFD a full report if you attended the meeting. Thank you

  • posted by Troll
  • Thu, May 2, 2002 6:55am

quote:


When asked by the employee if he was signing for representation he was told "NO"


Puleeeeez, don't tell me that someone would sign a union card without reading it. Union cards always have information that one is signing for bargaining representation.

If that's what the guy really thinks, then all he has to do is sign a revocation and send it to CAW.

However, if the UFCW supporters go after the guy to sign a revocation, he may show up at a Labour Board hearing and say that he was coerced by UFCW guys. He may very well have been telling the UFCW guys that he didn't know what he was signing just to get them off his back.

Anyway, all will be revealed in the end.

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Thu, May 2, 2002 7:33am

Damdtay, get your facts straight before you pass on "gossip". I heard about this on Tuesday and talked to the person who said this. He was talking to a new employee months ago about the CAW and the employee said that he wasn't getting any of the information being mailed out by the CAW. The CAW supporter said it was probably because he wasn't on the mailing list (the UFCW and the Company wouldn't give it to the CAW), everyone that signed a CAW card was told that we needed the signed cards to force a "recognition vote" at Maple Grove.

The real issue at Maple Grove is the fact that the collective agreement was never ratified by the membership and the CAW is helping the employees with their right to "democratically" decide who will represent them.

If the right to "self determination" is not to your liking, I suggest moving out of Canada and takng up residence in a country where they don't give you any rights...... I'm sure they would love to have you.

  • posted by Troll
  • Thu, May 2, 2002 7:56am

quote:


posted by <caw4transport>:
Wannabecaw: "Wash Away Ufcw", a very fitting quote. I would have to say the workers at Fortino,s are thinking the same thing. I,ve been reading the submissions from the company, and the ufcw in regards to the fortino,s facilty in Hamilton, and I can,t believe the company just doesn,t want the fortino,s workers to have a vote, which is there democratic right!


Is there any chance the docs can be scanned and e-mailed to sleK? We'd like to see too.

  • posted by <CAWMAN>
  • Thu, May 2, 2002 9:39am

OPSEU strike is over. Bring on the vote.

  • posted by weiser
  • Thu, May 2, 2002 9:52am

Here's the media release:
OPSEU Settlement

  • posted by <caw4transport>
  • Thu, May 2, 2002 12:41pm

Troll: I don,t have a scanner to send you the documents you can call John Aman caw office in Toronto 1800-268-5763 ext. 650 he would be glad to send them to you as these papers are for public viewing.

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Thu, May 2, 2002 3:29pm

I've taken 5 days off due to the flu and today was my first day back!
Five minutes into the shift fellow co-workers came to me with a
few complaints; and again I have to remind them that our ufcw
union seems to work against us as does the company. Seems
that quite a few people have been MISLEAD right from the start.
Again it is with urgency that we need the CAW-RESCUE.
The UFCW claims this is a RAID, but due to SHODDY representation.
and some terrible letters of understanding we are in dire need of
a real union that puts the workers interests first and foremost.
We need protection from this oppression brought to us from
two sides as in the Company and the Co. COMPLIANT UFCW.
The workers at Maplegrove need JUSTICE via CAW.
If all goes well and the CAW is victorious we will have to educate
the sheep and show them where the true power is in our workplace.
The real power is us the rank and filers WE ARE THE MACHINE
that gets the job done. As simple as warehouse work may seem;
I believe we are the best in the business, and we should settle
for nothing less than the BEST CONTRACT in our industry.
The UFCW likes to use fear against its members as does
the Company. But I believe now the people most scared
are the people who DO NOT deserve our respect anymore.
I'm sick and tired of being civil with this UFCW crew.
Due to their lies and misleading information the UFCW should
have learned a valuable lesson for the future.
YOU DON'T OWN THE MEMBERS THE MEMBERS OWN YOU!
Understand UFCW that should you contest our wishes by way
of the ballot box You shall be in for another EMBARRASSMENT
that will be communicated to everyone in the stores and the
warehouses.
To the people who call Leah Casselman and Buzz Hargrove SCABS
regarding our filing You are way way out of reality. I believe that
is what happens when one sees the end of their existance, dually
with a pure lack of EDUCATION.
The RESCUE's will continue after Mgrove And the UFCW best
be shaking up their appointed leadership for they are FAILING
TERRIBLY and deserve the BOOT~~~~~~~wash-away UFCW
wash-away undemocratic practices, wash-away the DINKTATORS.
ala dictators.
The UFCW claims to have a Master Warehouse Agreement:
all the whouses have different expiry dates rendering the agreement
WEAK. Learn from the CAW and other unions for that matter their
Master Agreements have a COMMON EXPIRY DATE.
Corporan and his soldiers really think we are stupid!
We shall send you a strong message of GET OUT OF MAPLEGROVE
{and take your sheep with you}

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Fri, May 3, 2002 7:50am

Very well put John, I missed you this week at work and hope to see you soon. Keep up the great work of educating our UFCW brothers.

L8r Bro

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Fri, May 3, 2002 6:04pm

Lets play a Game.....
Lets Guess what kind of animal DeMoN is......
- It is usally bigger than a mouse
- It is aprt of the rodent family
- Some sick people like to keep them as pets.
- They are dirty
- Pearl Jam has a song about them
- The rhymes with Cat, Bat, brat, lat, tat and mat

If you guessed RAT! you are right

Can you believe this guy would run to supervisors over someone telling him off?
DeMoN maybe you should read a book on how to be a man!

  • posted by retailworker
  • Fri, May 3, 2002 6:14pm

i guess that makes *you* a cockroach.

(who would rat on a rat?)

maybe you should read a book on how to be a human.

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Fri, May 3, 2002 7:26pm

quote:


posted by John Doe:
i guess that makes *you* a cockroach.

(who would rat on a rat?)

maybe you should read a book on how to be a human.


What the hell you talking about??????
DeMoN is a rat!!!!!!!!!
I have never ran to the supervisors over what other Co-Workers are doing WHY? Because Im not a rat!!!

  • posted by retailworker
  • Fri, May 3, 2002 7:27pm

you're not a rat. you're a cockroach.

don't take that badly. cockroaches have excellent survival skills.

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Fri, May 3, 2002 7:45pm

Scott, does this mean I can tell everyone at Maple Grove that you (and the UFCW)condone "harassment" in the workplace.

I expected a lot better from you scott........

Being a UFCW union steward your friend knows that "Harassment" is on the top of the companies list of things not to do and he should be leading by example, not going out onto the floor and threatening to "kick the sh*t" out of one the employees he's supposed to represent!

If someone I don't even know, comes up to me and threatens me, he better be prepaired for what I might do in response to that threat.

Most people would be too scared to take the road I took, but i'm not taking any crap from you UFCW bullies. I know this isn't an isolated incident and there will be other Harassment complaints filed against the other bullies before this is over so I suggest you be prepaired for some grief.

Oh, and good luck with your video tomorrow.........

The membership has spoken

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Fri, May 3, 2002 8:14pm

Video tommorrow damn I got my days mixed up because I was told it was next week.....

Anyways about your B.S complaints, Do you honestly feel it was justified to run to your senior Supervisor, with a typed letter "Ratting" out on a fellow employee because he told you off?

2 Days ago i pissed off a Employee who is from the kitchener D.C, And he was Quite offended by what I said to Him, So like A man he decided to call the Union and discuss the problem with Mr. Reid. Mr. Reid called me and asked about it and I told him I probally did offened him and I will talk to him.
I called this fellow employee at home and had a converstaion with him and "cleared the air" with him, I told him that I did feel bad for what was said and He told me that I am a good man to phone and talk to him.
See harrassment issues can be dealt in a Union way!!
this gentleman did not run to our supervisors to "Rat" me out he did the right thing.
Now my "friend" (actually my roomate) in which I know pretty good is the same way. He would have disscussed what was said to you but instead you try to get one of the original 1000a guys in trouble.
I know who you can get in people's face and try to piss them off, you did it to me a few weeks ago while a fellow Kitchener guy even told you that you were out of line.
STILL A RAT IS A RAT!

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Fri, May 3, 2002 8:33pm

Scott, there is a world of difference between being "told off" and being physically threatened. I'm getting way too old for the "lets go out side settle this like men" crap. I don't need that kind of stress in my life so i'll deal with "children" like an adult.

If you want to call me a rat at work or here on the MFD forum, feel free. I know my friends will support my decision and so will the company. We don't need you or your bully friends trying to intimidate the membership into believing that the sun shines out of the UFCW's ass.

Try taking the high road for a change, it might be nice for you to get out of the gutter and see the light of day for a change......

The membership has spoken

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Fri, May 3, 2002 9:11pm

Is that how CAW workers deal with things run to supervisors??????

  • posted by retailworker
  • Fri, May 3, 2002 9:14pm

i guess it's better to run beneath the floorboards... like a roach!

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Fri, May 3, 2002 9:35pm

scott, i'm on the "high road" and can't hear you down there in the gutter, can you speak up please.

If you think you drag me into a discussion on how to we should treat UFCW bullies in the workplace, well forget it! I think we should let the membership decide..... I think they might want to hear your views on Harassment in the workplace (especially when it comes from a union steward).

I wish you all the luck in the world putting a positive spin on this one!

The membership has spoken

  • posted by sleK
  • Fri, May 3, 2002 10:22pm

UFCW's_Scott;

Fair warning.

One more stupid attack and you're gone.

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Sat, May 4, 2002 8:03am

Dear Slek,
I,m Sorry for the comments i have made about "DeMoN", But please relize that what He did made me quite upset. Instead of blowing up at him at MG again I thought I would vent it here, For fear of getting a letter sent to my O.M.
If you could post some guidelines woul be greatly apprciated.
Have a great Weekend
Scott

  • posted by siggy
  • Sat, May 4, 2002 8:47am

quote:


But please relize that what He did made me quite upset. Instead of blowing up at him at MG again I thought I would vent it here


Never seen your post. I am assuming it wasn't nice or slek wouldn't have taken it out. I however think you did the right thing to vent here. The only rule for the forum is don't attack the person, you will get farther with your cause if you can attack the idea.

I think you have come a long way UFCW's Scott, still don't agree with you, but you've come a long way. Keep up the communication.

Some keys you might find useful for your vents are the f@#$%^ ones at the top of the f@#$%^& keyboard.
Use them and sleK won't have a case.

  • posted by weiser
  • Sat, May 4, 2002 9:07am

I don't get it. If there's harassment language in the CA to protect members, those members must not file a formal complaint under that language.

Is that what you are saying, UFCW's_Scott?

If one employee (a UFCW supporter) is harassing or abusing a worker (not a UFCW supporer) for trying to get the UFCW kicked out, then the harassed worker who does not support the UFCW must go to the UFCW to have them deal with the UFCW supporter.

What power would the UFCW have to stop the harassment? Could they discipline the harasser? Could they suspend the harasser if he didn't stop? What power would they have over the harasser if he told the UFCW rep to drop dead?

UFCW's_Scott, I'd agree with you to some extent under normal circumstances. However, when the union doesn't seem to have a person's best interests at heart, why would he or she go to them for help?

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Sat, May 4, 2002 9:50am

weiser, we have laungage in the C.A. and rules from the company about how harassment will be handled. This harassment has gone on unabated since the CAW's application for certification and this past week the company put their foot down on the problem (there will be zero tolerance). Even after that, the pro-UFCW supporters continue their campaign of terror to try and swing the vote for UFCW.

Maybe now they will take this seriously.....

  • posted by siggy
  • Sat, May 4, 2002 10:55am

quote:


scott, i'm on the "high road" and can't hear you down there in the gutter, can you speak up please.


Demon, slek must have missed this. Comments like this don't help much either.

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Sat, May 4, 2002 12:32pm

quote:


posted by weiser:

UFCW's_Scott, I'd agree with you to some extent under normal circumstances. However, when the union doesn't seem to have a person's best interests at heart, why would he or she go to them for help?[/QB]


Weiser I do agree with that point but this was not union related, DeMoN stepped in front of my friends car to stop him to give him literature, My friend had to stop real quick to advoid hitting him.
My friend went in to work a few days later to confront him. DeMoN decided to "egg him on". till My buddy got pissed.
DeMoN has done this to me many times. I too have been unprofessional towards him because he knows how to get in peoples face and piss them off.

Everyone knows who I support, but if the CAW does win the vote I will back them after that because the workers at MG have spocken then.

BUT I am still hoping my Union will win!

  • posted by weiser
  • Sat, May 4, 2002 1:09pm

Sound thinking and good judgement, UFCW's_Scott. If you and DeMoN work as a team against NG once the vote is final, they won't know what hit 'em.

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Sat, May 4, 2002 7:49pm

Scott, instead of you talking for your friend, why don't you get him on here to tell his side of the story. I think you have the facts all wrong and I would rather hear it from Marc.

Scott, if you knew me better you would know it takes a hell of a lot of abuse to get me upset, and this situation was enough to do it.

I would rather have done this differently but you and about 20 of your friends are so blinded by your fear of losing your UFCW protection, that it has turned you into something that I find offensive.

I hope that we can be friends again after this is all over (you'll find that i'm forgiving). Please keep an open mind on everything that has happened in the last few months and we'll get over this.

  • posted by Scott Mcpherson
  • Sat, May 4, 2002 9:13pm

I don't know how many people from your workplace visit this site and just observe, but I'm hoping they are looking closely at the antics and comments I hear and make the right choice.

So far I've listened to UFCW supporters egg Demon and Aman on about "if you have support bring it on" then when the CAW did just that [and early instead of August] they called them scabs. NOw that the vote is near they are trying to bully and intimidate people who openly support the CAW bid for representation with threats of violence.

This more than anything speaks to the validity of the UFCW bid does it not? So far my understanding of what's transpired at your workplace is the UFCW didn't give you any choice in your union or your contract to begin with. They inked the deal with the employer before the place was open for business. They didn't account for proper company senority for "everyone". They didn't have a membership meeting for months despite the International constitutions demand for one at least 4 times a year. They've called anyone who doesn't agree with them names, it appears they are stalling on grievences from CAW supports, they are having meetings on company time while people are being paid by the employer. And now they are physically threatening and challenging anyone who doesn't support the union of their choice. [UFCW]

Not even taking into account any of the dirty deeds the UFCW is pulling off in other parts of the Country with other employers I'm still not sure I understand why anyone would willingly support the UFCW. Unless of course your one of the people who have a cushy job your company senority doesn't support and you need the UFCW to protect your unjust posting.

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Sun, May 5, 2002 9:45am

You hit the nail right on the head there Scott Mcpherson. I'm still amazed that anyone (except the original 1000a members) would want anything to do with the UFCW after seeng the lack of representation and the antics these people pull to get a vote.

Desperation does funny things to people who are under the (false) impression that the world is about to crumble around them. If they took the time to realize that the only thing they're losing is the unjust union protection they gave themselves and that they have everything to gain from a new collective agreement with a union that will treat everyone equally, they would stop being desperate and see it's not the end of the world.

I see big changes coming one way or the other.....

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Sun, May 5, 2002 3:49pm

Holy Moly, I go away for a couple days and all this crap.
Again I am EMBARRASSSED TO BE UFCW.
UFCW`s Scott why don't you see if your UFCW will take
you back to a warehouse where you are not so scared
of a representation vote. AGAIN WASH AWAY UFCW.
A purely shoddy union.
My new brothers are getting lots new cards for CAW.
JUSTICE is coming. Super seniority wash away.

  • posted by <fair>
  • Sun, May 5, 2002 8:25pm

CAUTION :FEAR OF REDUNDANCY

loblaws historically makes jobs redundant

junior original 1000a membersare vulnerable at

grove if not protected by super seniority

definite "untouchables" attitude abroad membership originals

can't see the tree of poor leadership for the forest of self preservation

u guys all keep acting the way you are and we will all find a miserable existence at the grove

true leaders are the ones who day in and day out look out for their fellow workers and not their egos

we are all working at a very sad unfullfilling job so it is easy for all of us to warm to the spotlight when the moment arises for our chance to spew our decided expertise,,,,BUT,,,,

,,,,,,,LEST WE FORGET,,,,,,,,,our common enemy that is still harrassing workers with standards and sick time benefit holdouts ,,,safety dereliction and pure lack of action to stop it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • posted by weiser
  • Mon, May 6, 2002 5:34pm

You are right, NG is the one who dictates how you do your job and the conditions under which you perform, but you have to wonder why the the employer that you respect so little picked the UFCW as the union for its employees.

I'd rather have a union selected by employees than one selected by my employer. Tell me about any employer who would pick a union that it wasn't friendly with. Would an employer pick a union that could potentially kick its ass?

  • posted by smile
  • Mon, May 6, 2002 6:41pm

Once again I have to say they picked UFCW because the are sleeping with the company. It doesn't show more then when you go to a meeting and they say the company has the power to do things the way they want, and the Union agrees with that point.
I hope the CAW does get into Maple Grove and then maybe other Locals with take notice and maybe start standing up for its members and stop being so agreeable with the company.

  • posted by smile
  • Mon, May 6, 2002 6:41pm
  • posted by caw4transport
  • Mon, May 6, 2002 7:19pm

Lets be reminded smile when the CAW has a meeting, its addresed to ALL NG Employee,s, the CAW allows freedom of speech with its membership, on the other hand UFCW holds "members in action meeting" for a select group, this way they can controll the meeting. Wash away the UFCW, The workers @ maplegrove will finally have a say in who will represent them thanks to the CAW RESCUE, CAW is a vote for the future, keep smiling the reform days are ahead for maplegrove.

  • posted by lefkenny
  • Mon, May 6, 2002 7:51pm

Welcome caw4transport
10-4 good buddy we'll catch you on the rebound

aboutunions

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Tue, May 7, 2002 8:37am

quote:


posted by <fair>:

,,,,,,,LEST WE FORGET,,,,,,,,,our common enemy that is still harrassing workers with standards and sick time benefit holdouts ,,,safety dereliction and pure lack of action to stop it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QB]


I dont know about you but this really does sound like a DeMoN Comment!

  • posted by weiser
  • Tue, May 7, 2002 8:51am

I think you're wrong UFCW's_Scott. However, even if you were right, you are still a long way away from providing any useful information about why any right-minded person would want to have the UFCW represent them.

Do you not agree that NG is not the best of employers? Do you not think it's wrong that NG seems to have picked a union for all employees?

Here's an apt description of a business union:

quote:


However, business unions pit workers against workers - if you've ever been in a business union, you'll find a distinct hierarchy evident within the union, favoring the older, higher-paid, senior workers over the younger, lower-paid workers. Make no mistake - if you're on the lower rungs of this hierarchy, you are cannon fodder in the event of hard negotiations - it will be your job that is sacrificed if push comes to shove, while senior union members will retain their privileges and protections. [the UFCW has even managed to pervert this business union principle at Maplegrove.]

Even within this seniority system, there are still higher levels of hierarchy - a business union reserves all decision-making action to labor leaders - the rank-and-file are not to engage in independent activity, but are to remain in lock-step behind their respective leaders - who, particularly as unions grew in power - came to resemble management itself, more and more. All workplace initiative is kept safely at the top of the business union pyramid.


  • posted by <own opinion>
  • Tue, May 7, 2002 8:58am

actually "fair" isnt demon,,,,,,,,,,,,its your friendly neighbourhood spiderman,,,,,i mean,,,,,grove trainer,,,,,lol

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Tue, May 7, 2002 10:18am

There you go Scott, strait from the horses mouth. I always post under my DeMoN alias and nothing else.

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Tue, May 7, 2002 10:25am

The following is a a peice a friend sent to me and i think it is is relevent to the "Auto" In dustry in Canada;

Regarding job layoffs in Canada:
Joe Smith started the day early having
Set his alarm clock (MADE IN JAPAN) for 6 am
While his coffee pot (MADE IN CHINA) was perking, he shaved
with his electric razor (MADE IN HONG KONG). He put on a
dress shirt (MADE IN SRI LANKA), designer jeans (MADE IN
SINGAPORE), and tennis shoes (MADE IN KOREA).
After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet (MADE IN INDIA)
he sat down with his calculator (MADE IN MEXICO) to see how much
he could spend today.
After setting his watch (MADE IN TAIWAN)
to the radio (MADE IN INDIA)
he got in his car (MADE IN GERMANY) and continued his search for
a good paying Canadian JOB!
At the end of yet another discouraging and fruitless day, Joe decided
to relax for a while. He put on his sandals (MADE IN BRAZIL), poured
himself a glass of wine (MADE IN FRANCE) and turned on his TV
(MADE IN INDONESIA) and then wondered why he can't find a good
paying job in Canada!

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Tue, May 7, 2002 10:47am

quote:


posted by DeMoN:
There you go Scott, strait from the horses mouth. I always post under my DeMoN alias and nothing else.


Maybe its one of those people that actually listen to you!

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Tue, May 7, 2002 2:04pm

I wish I knew how to quote properly here! But anyway,UFCW's Scott
I really really admire that poem even though it HURTS LIKE HELL.
I do not mean that it is intended to be hurtful from you to anyone,
it is a sad fact of the situation we endure in Canada.
My dinky car NEON was not a desired purchase but I know
it was built in Illinois by UAW workers and it was good for my
1000km drive to work everyWEEK.
My Brother Mr'Hargrove has noticed since Sept 11 that American
Protectionism is at a pace never felt before by Canadians.
The Auto Pact is gone~~~~That hurts large!
I believe the only thing keeping us above the doldrums of
Permanent Recession is our WEAK Canadian$$ and our Superb
Quality. I Therefore shall never buy another NON Canadian built vehicle
for NO reason. I regret buyiny foreign products and I TRY NOT TO
WHERE POSSIBLE. Buy Union Protect Union Jobs at almost any Cost.
I therefore note and relate to Y'ALL that Brother Hargrove is our best
BET at preserving Canadian Jobs and helping maintain our Detioriating
StaNDARD OF LIVING BROUGHT TO US BY gREEDY cOMPANIES and
these LOW-LIFE BIZ-UNIONS. WASH AWAY UFCW Thanks to their
Leadership who Recommended putting my Standard of living in
reverse more than a decade maybe TWO decades. SHAME UFCW
SAVE US BROTHER HARGROVE. Know what you are doing when you
vote. To Hell with you UNEDUCATED UFCW POM-POM CREW
iwannabeCAW

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Tue, May 7, 2002 2:18pm

A call to Mr Finnamore Are you out there?
Can you give me 1 good reason to vote UFCW at Maplegrove?
Can you give me 1 good reason why I should respect UNeducated
VOTERS?
Please answer when you can Mr F.........[are you still out there?]
Don't mean to sound sinister with Question 2 but it is OUR FUTURE

  • posted by UFCW's_Scott
  • Tue, May 7, 2002 8:02pm

To be quite honest the "Canadian" fact sheet I put out was not a jab at anyone its just a little reminder to us all that we should buy Canadian products.
It was a tension breaker.
I do not like to see any of my Fellow Canadians out of work!!!!

  • posted by Johnny Roberts
  • Wed, May 8, 2002 1:13pm

In response to "smile's" posting, "O.K., so what are we going to do about it?"
I can only recall the popular song of the 60's/70's, Leaving on a Jet Plane.
Well, my bags are packed and I'm ready to go...

  • posted by smile
  • Wed, May 8, 2002 5:54pm

All I can say as I a ready to go to. I really think we should get the ball rolling.

  • posted by <CAWMAN>
  • Thu, May 9, 2002 6:08pm

Just a quick update...
It is anticipated that the vote will be sometime next week. There is an open meeting this Sunday May the 12th from 1:00pm to 4:00pm at the CAW Cambridge office on Lang street. Of special note... CAW President Buzz Hargrove is scheduled to attend this meeting.
Be there....... or be........?

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Thu, May 9, 2002 7:18pm

May 12th a very special situation indeed.
Buzz Hargrove is scheduled to address the Maplegrove
RESCUE, in person. I hope Brothers Paul Forder and
Hemi Metic accompany Buzz to OUR special day in history.

On a seperate note: Scotty Bowman the Legendary NHL coach
for the Detroit Red Wings posted in the team dressing room
~~~~~ "I'd rather be a TIGER for a day, than a SHEEP for a
1000 years"~~~~~~`

  • posted by Johnny Roberts
  • Thu, May 9, 2002 8:09pm

Nice Quote, WannebeCAW. It puts me in mind of one of my favourite coffee cups with a "Far Side Cartoon" on it. There is a group of rather seemingly "contented" sheep, suddenly one sheep stands up and exclaims, 'Wait, wait...listen to me! We don't have to be just sheep!
Something to think about!

  • posted by Johnny Roberts
  • Thu, May 9, 2002 8:12pm

Hey smile, "I really think we should get the ball rolling". What do you suggest?

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Thu, May 9, 2002 10:11pm

Finally I believe we have our date for the Maplegrove Vote!
WEDNESDAY MAY 15th 2002.
Think of our Future~~~The Absolute most LOGICAL CHOICE
for A REAL workers union VOTE----CAW-Canada

wannabeCAW:

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Fri, May 10, 2002 6:39am

Yes the vote is on Wednesday May,15/2002 the polling times are tentitivly 5:00am - 8:00am and 5:00pm - 8:00pm for Maple Grove and slightly different hours for Fortinos (i'll update when I get the hours). All employees, including "new hires since the application" will be allowed to vote. The ballot choices will be 1) CAW 2) UFCW 3) no union

The CAW is having a general meeting (for Maple Grove and Fortinos employees)to inform the membership of what will happen during and after the vote and to clear up all the misinformation thats floating around the warehouse.

Please take this opportunity to meet Buzz Hargrove, one of Canada's great Labour Leaders and be informed on the current issues at Maple Grove.

see you all on Sunday

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Fri, May 10, 2002 5:38pm

More misinformation being spread onto the PAWNS
part-timers have been told by the ufcw pom-pom crew
if the CAW wins the vote the temp full timers will lose
$$$$ down to $8/hr.: Absolutely UNTRUE and DESPERATE.
The UFCW has been responsible for HUGE rollbacks for
its members. Personally I estimate I've lost more than
$100,000.00 since 1994 because of the UFCW weakness.
I'm very happy to hear that some people have not forgot the
union responsible for the 1994 UFCW COLLAPSE.
And the revenge these fellas are gonna give the ufcw is
the BOOT in favour of the CAW-Canada which definately
will not sneak away past gains in favor of VOLUNTARY WRECKS

  • posted by Richard
  • Fri, May 10, 2002 8:35pm

Seems to me that the only union with a penchant for driving in reverse is the UFCW.

The CAW isn't known for getting less. They are known for getting more--much more.

The only losers if the CAW gets in will be National Grocers and the UFCW.

I'm all for the UFCW losing the Maplegrove unit. If that happens, the UFCW might get its act together and start "partnering" with its members rather than with employers.

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Fri, May 10, 2002 8:55pm

richard
please back up your comments with valid facts. the caw negotiated a contract in march for the NG Peterborough warehouse. less less less
wannabeecaw it almost sounds like you are posting your resume for a position as staff rep for the caw on this site.
later

  • posted by sleK
  • Fri, May 10, 2002 8:57pm

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Fri, May 10, 2002 9:18pm

The little children must play.
They know that Wednesday is the day.
The self rightious bastards will have their say, and the UFCW supporters again will have them pay.
"people are people, we get along so awefully"
depeche mode
If you don't like the way things work at maplegrove then leave please get the hell out because i am sick of your afraid of change redneck bullshit.
PS my spelling sucks so lets not dwell on that.
strictely for entertainment value!!!

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Fri, May 10, 2002 9:45pm

still wiating for the permission from casselman to cross the picket line. that action most definitaley did not have the support of the members, that being OPSUE.
wannabeecaw
does the caw support the workers at BUD AUTOMOTIVE?
They are giving up alot !!!!
What is the average pay for a similar(to that of what is done at maplegrove) job in the Kitchener economy.
COMPANY SENORITY?????????
What is that lie all about?
If somebody works for Toyota would they ever have a hope in hell of getting in to Ford with their senority rights. They all share ownership of different parts plants etc..
The people at maplegrove are strong union people.
They are educated people, now more ever. This membership is going to be stronger than most. Not because of the union , it is because of the people.
later later

  • posted by <CAWMAN>
  • Fri, May 10, 2002 10:36pm

quote:


posted by doug mackenzie:
If you don't like the way things work at maplegrove then leave please get the hell out because i am sick of your afraid of change redneck bullshit.


Ahhhhh, such fine words from one of our current UFCW stewards. Such great representation we have going for us. Makes you wonder why so many people are looking for that change he speaks of.
Mr. Mackenzie, please remember your own words once the CAW represents Maple Grove and you lose your unearned cushy Mon - Fri prime job. For even tho I would not have the same ignorance to say to you "if you dont like it leave", it is okay and encouraged for you to speak those words to yourself. Have a nice evening Doug.

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Fri, May 10, 2002 11:50pm

Mckenzee wannabe here! I understand when I was off sick
people talk of me being paid by the CAW to campaign!
Quite flattering! But my work is of such volunteer! And I
am working in your best interests Doug. All of us for that
matter._____Please be Reminded this is a Rescue!
Buzz Hargrove MUST address this situation to the CLC!
He shall and I believe in him. Buzz is my hero and mentor
so to say! He could work for almost any LARGE Corp. and
make 10x the $$$ Understand Doug. This is for the workers.
I am for worker rights and only a SNAKE would be OFFENDED
by John Erickson's actions and strong will.
As Richard said the UFCVW is in Reverse mode.

  • posted by Scott Mcpherson
  • Sat, May 11, 2002 12:24am

I think it's obvious even in the Midnight hrs UFCW supporters have very little to say with respect to "why" thier beloved union is the better choice. Instead we see name calling and frustrated desperate rehtoric. I hope the members use their heads when they vote and filter out all the crap and just look at the bottom line.... the UFCW partners with employers....the CAW works for the members

Their respective track records speak for themselves and I see no need to post any more material to support what I've said. Perhaps Rich is right... or more likely the UFCW will run back to their partner [loblaws] and ask for another warehouse. Only time will tell.

  • posted by <tired>
  • Sat, May 11, 2002 6:38am

would someone please explain to the ufcw chronies how loblaws couldnt keep us out of maplegrove regardless if they voted to "let us in",,,if one more person says "if it wasnt for us",,,i am gonna puke up that cafeteria swill they serve us.

  • posted by Richard
  • Sat, May 11, 2002 9:25am

quote:


posted by doug mackenzie:
richard
please back up your comments with valid facts. the caw negotiated a contract in march for the NG Peterborough warehouse. less less less
wannabeecaw it almost sounds like you are posting your resume for a position as staff rep for the caw on this site.
later


I'll stay where I am for now. I'm not ready for a move. However, it would be better to be a CAW rep than a UFCW rep. The CAW reps can hold their heads high while UFCW reps are left holding their noses.

Doug, not once have you been able to produce one piece of evidence, credible or otherwise, that shows the UFCW to be a decent union. Instead, you avoid mention of the UFCW and simply make baseless attacks on individuals and other unions.

Is that because, you look at this gaining decent union representation like a sports competition, and you view the UFCW as the home team?

Rather than continually attacking others, why don't you tell us why secret contracts are good for UFCW members? Tell us why "partnering" agreements are good for workers. Tell us why buying hotels and signing sub-standard agreements are good for workers. Tell us why it was ok for UFCW members' money to be spent on buying Cliff Evans a house in Florida. Tell us how rampant nepotism serves UFCW members well. Tell us how being the kings of two-tier contracts is so noble. Tell us why six- to nine-year CAs are good for UFCW members. Tell us why being the president's choice for voluntary recognition agreements in Canada is good for UFCW members. Tell us why a president and other officers should get a free car, enough cash to buy a home, multiple pensions and short-term salary continuance when they retire or get booted from office. Tell us why some UFCW presidents get paid well over $100 thousand a year when they don't bargain contract, service units or do little more than travel around North American sun spots.

Come on Doug, tell us all....

  • posted by <can't wait>
  • Sun, May 12, 2002 7:52am

wednesday baby!!!!!!!

  • posted by siggy
  • Sun, May 12, 2002 8:16am

Machine votes make me nervous. Lack of good representation and lack of useful information has left the Power Source divided, and the vote results usually end up just another wedge between the workers.

Maplegrove you have the opportunity to shake the disease, let the machine and company know that you will not be manipulated, don't let us down!

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Sun, May 12, 2002 2:23pm

What a rush for Me! I met Buzz Hargrove and Paul Forder[director of organizing]
today at our open meeting for Mgrove employees. Buzz talked to
CLC prez. Georgietti this a.m. about our plight.
There is absolutely NO DOUBT that the CAW is for what
the workers need and want. Vote CAW and WASH AWAY UFCW

  • posted by sleK
  • Sun, May 12, 2002 2:30pm

wannabeCAW YHM! (you have mail)

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Sun, May 12, 2002 3:29pm

For the benefit of a doubt! Can anyone tell me why I should vote UFCW.

  • posted by weiser
  • Sun, May 12, 2002 3:55pm

If you want to bargain concessions, you may want to vote UFCW. If you need a "Partnering Agreement" that wipes out your ability to apply financial pressure on your employer, you might want to vote UFCW. If you want some of the richest Business Agents in North America you can vote UFCW. If you want your employer to have a good working relationship with your union, you may want to vote UFCW.

I hope I've been some help.

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Sun, May 12, 2002 5:27pm

Thanks Weiser you sarcastic @#$#@. No No!
Thanks for your support in this ever so important issue.
You are right. If I read between the lines the UFCW shall
sell my slavery for years to come. As we speak the CAW
is our only way out of this biz-union thing.
Still no reason to vote ufcw~~~~they are our worst choice!
Vote CAW and lets go bargain for what is RELATIVE to
Loblaw's record profits Again~~~~~Wash Away UFCW

  • posted by <D.Roussy>
  • Sun, May 12, 2002 6:00pm

Guess What I Heard A Part Timer Say Today " I Think The Blue Guy's Are Going To Win" Well The Time Has Come . I Can't Wait To Be Treated Like An Adult Again. Sorry To All The UFCW (Members In Action) But I'm Not Use To Being Treated Like A 6 Year Old. It's Pretty Bad You Have To Resort To Bullying p-Timer's To Scrape Up Enough Votes To Have A Chance. GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Sun, May 12, 2002 6:19pm

No Kidding, Thanks Roussey Many full timers see and
CAN NOT wait to tick CAW-Canada ----What Idiots---

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Mon, May 13, 2002 6:56pm

Leah Casselman's letter?
My facts have already been supplied in earlier threads.
Listen lets start to accept the fact that UFCW is going to win. So if you don't like the way it is operating than why can't we change it at our level. That is the plan. We vote on who runs the place. We vote change, we force the change, we have the hammer!
Ask me to supply facts when all I heard from caw for the last ten months is promises(nothing to change my mind).
Anybody who questions my union stewardship is either an idiot or a chicken, probably both.
Many times I should have walked away, because I new that I was just being tested. Tested as a union. I am just about finished with the game.
The game?
Victory one more time.
later

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Mon, May 13, 2002 7:02pm

Hey Roussey, talk about coming late to party.
Lots of education here, equipment for creating a better enviroment.
later

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Mon, May 13, 2002 7:12pm

Doug will you be eager for change upon a repost?
Don't you think we can bargain a better deal relative to the huge profits
we help in accomplishing.
Talk to me good buddy

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Mon, May 13, 2002 7:15pm

The video!!!!!!
Has anybody veiwed the video?
Give it to me staight I can take it, there is no future in hollywood for me.Talk about a bad hair day how about a bad face day.
Anyway!
How about the video????
later
ps one day left to confuse(to the c.a.w.)

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Mon, May 13, 2002 7:19pm

Totally agree that the geedy pricks need to give back some of their profits. The problem is that most people just see $/hr. They need to be educated that there is much more to gain.
dmack

  • posted by sleK
  • Mon, May 13, 2002 7:21pm

quote:


They need to be educated that there is much more to gain.


Like what?
How will the UFCW provide it?

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Mon, May 13, 2002 7:22pm

Doug the video I give credit! Thats pretty good at expressing the views of a few.
I know you can't interview everybody least not both sides.
I never received a tape! Will you lend me yours when convenient to you.
Good Humour Doug I know I aint for Hwood either hehehe

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Mon, May 13, 2002 7:23pm

The threat of a repost has always been there. I mean I've changed a few times already. No it has never scared me, whatever, it is the way it is and has been.
dmack

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Mon, May 13, 2002 7:37pm

Through stewards and communication.
Something that can be addressed and not attacked. It is very easy to point fingers and cloud issues.
We should have coffee sometime and talk about the issues at Maplegrove. That is why I am here. Until then the coffee is going cold. Once again thanks for your input.
dmack

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Mon, May 13, 2002 8:08pm

Doug lets have coffee and view the tape at work just a couple of us ?
I'm very interested in this tape,I think it is a great way of communication,
But maybe after the vote so I don't ridicule and throw more proof in my
wanting a solid high quality Union I'm Voting for OUR future we need
MORE . I challenge you to sway my thinking I've think I've experienced
enough eversince 1994 Erin Mills COLLAPSE! The pom-pom crews have till WED MAY 15.
Show me the UNION~~~~~~~I've shown you Doug read a study with me
after all this and you'll understand the UFCW is negative as compared to the CAW
C'mon now? Why ? Vote UFCW??? Get real with YOUR FUTURE VoTe CAW-CANADA

  • posted by sleK
  • Mon, May 13, 2002 8:11pm

That doesn't fully answer the question.

You said:

quote:


They need to be educated that there is much more to gain.


What is there to gain and what is the UFCW doing (what has the UFCW done?) to provide it?

  • posted by Scott Mcpherson
  • Tue, May 14, 2002 2:27pm

quote:


The problem is that most people just see $/hr. They need to be educated that there is much more to gain.


Holy crap Doug, did you just say something I agree with? I'd love to hear your answer to slek's last question.

  • posted by caw4transport
  • Tue, May 14, 2002 7:39pm

The vote will be here tommorrow, I encourage all employee,s to come out an vote its your right. I can say I will support the winning union, and will help reform maplegrove. A message to the transport department after the vote we will have to come together as a group and fight for our rights, we must work together or nothing will be done about the outstanding issue regarding outside carriers. Regardless if the C.A.W wins or the U.F.C.W wins, we as a group of strong people must send the message loud and clear to our respected union, we in transport department will not be taking a back seat anymore, and will fight for our rights. The driving farce @maplegrove will go on if you let it.

  • posted by <disgusted>
  • Wed, May 15, 2002 7:22am

So,,,,,is that whatmy union reps have been up to!!!!! Not fighting to get me the money that is owed me or making sure the scheduling is done by seniority(pt on days,,40 hrs/wk,,receiving and machine operating w/saturdays off)I am a posted loader and i have to pick more than they do. I trained them for gods sake,,thats how green they are and they already have a better "appointed shift" by the company with no reply from the union.I guess your time was better spent lookin after your dues revenue instead of my rights under YOUR contract!!!! Great job guys !!!

Whomever wins the first order of business as a group is to shut the hell down till the company starts honoring the union enviroment we live in....if the ufcw wins we are on our own again,,just like the last nine months!!!!!

  • posted by <disgusted>
  • Wed, May 15, 2002 7:24am

ps,,,,,,,,,,,,,, did i mention you lost my vote too!!!!!!

  • posted by Scott Mcpherson
  • Wed, May 15, 2002 8:16am

I don't think you had too D. Welcome to the forum

  • posted by <disgusted>
  • Wed, May 15, 2002 8:20am

HEE HEE

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Wed, May 15, 2002 4:47pm

It will be roughly 4 to 6 weeks till we know the winner!
That sucks #%#$@#$. The CAW is ready to count in the morning.
But the UFCW and the Company ignore our say! Actually they are
fighting against the peoples VOTE.
WHY? Must they throw $$$$$$ AWAY. Today I helped wash away
dictatorship. The UFCW walked me backwards and it was sweet
to stand up to da biz-union,WE can't resort to violence so WE used
a pencil instead. What a campaign! I look forward to working with my
new Educated brothers.
DeMoN gets my vote as MVP of OUR CAW Campaign.
DeMoN for warehouse CHAIRMAN.
I also look very forward to getting to the bargaining table.

  • posted by remote viewer
  • Wed, May 15, 2002 5:44pm

So what has happened wannabeCAW? Normally the OLRB Officer supervising the vote conducts the count as soon as the polls are closed. If the outcome won't be known for 4 - 6 weeks, I suspect the UFCW has filed some kind of challenge with the OLRB and the ballots won't be counted until their challenge is dealt with.

Tell us more.

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Wed, May 15, 2002 7:13pm

Usaully the votes would be counted right away,but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
The UFCW and the Company want the ballot boxes destroyed
and not even counted. They both argue they had a Contract in
place since 1998.
Dates for their arguments to be heard are June 13th[maybe solved then]
then I beleive 5 consecutive days the next week are scheduled for the
hearings. Rest assured the UFCW and Company argument are weak
and maybe hopefully the ballots will be counted JUNE 13th.
Our voices by way of ballot have been silenced till????
The CAW RESCUE is almost complete!
JUSTICE @ MAPLEGROVE

  • posted by sleK
  • Wed, May 15, 2002 9:51pm

quote:


The UFCW and the Company want the ballot boxes destroyed and not even counted. They both argue they had a Contract in place since 1998.


They do this now?
LMAO! Good timing!

  • posted by Scott Mcpherson
  • Thu, May 16, 2002 9:43am

The very fact both the employer and 1000a are asking that's peoples vote's be tossed away like meaningless note pads suggest a less than healthy relationship between the two. It also exemplifies just exactly where the UFCW truely stands on democracy and input from the membership. I judge people not by words but by action and the UFCW never fails to reinforce my thoughts about them.

  • posted by caw4transport
  • Thu, May 16, 2002 11:10am

Do we have numbers as to the number of people who cast there ballots yesterday? Was it a good turn-out? What was the mood like on vote day?

  • posted by weiser
  • Thu, May 16, 2002 11:21am

I'd think that the UFCW would be arguing that their contract is void, and that the vote be counted. They tell us through their trolls that the UFCW has the vote nailed down. They claim that the majority of the working world loves "your neighborhood union." If that's so, the UFCW gets to represent the Maple Grove employees and it gets to hammer NG for a decent contract.

What exactly is the UFCW's problem?

  • posted by Johnny Roberts
  • Thu, May 16, 2002 6:31pm

Holy Cow! How Bizzare! These guys are cowards and depots! In order to hold on to power, in any circumstance, UFCW either runs for their "lawyers" or "subverts democracy". I guess that's all they can do when they can't win a fair election. Shame!

  • posted by siggy
  • Thu, May 16, 2002 10:46pm

quote:


In order to hold on to power, in any circumstance, UFCW either runs for their "lawyers" or "subverts democracy".


And hand out hot-dogs and T-shirts, don't forget hot-dogs and T shirts. (the guys at OFG/Lomans got T-shirts too).

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Sat, May 18, 2002 9:53pm

We need a vote at maplegrove for steward representation. This is where the education happens. We must ask for these things now. The OPSUE strike has put back alot of the paper work and thus the ballot counting. On June 12th the first appeals will be heard. Unless they conducted a hearing during the last couple of days. Not Possible. This is a respected site so lets not try to distort facts to manipulate the minds of the 'unadvised'.
Education takes place over time. Maplegrove is a excellent place to start.
My favorite union is having some problems in Western New York.
later D Mack

  • posted by sleK
  • Sat, May 18, 2002 10:01pm

So, you're not going to answer my question then?

Hmm...

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Sat, May 18, 2002 10:16pm

Your question is 'how is the UFCW helping educate it's members'. I thought that I answered that. By educating the stewards, thus the membership becomes aware. If I missed the question sorry.
DMack

  • posted by sleK
  • Sat, May 18, 2002 10:18pm

quote:


You said:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
They need to be educated that there is much more to gain.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What is there to gain and what is the UFCW doing (what has the UFCW done?) to provide it?


  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Sat, May 18, 2002 10:31pm

From me I am telling you that the resources are ulimited. The steward training courses are offered every four months. The supply of material, to back up discipline, attendance and standardized work manipulation, is always there. Some people do not adhere to the environment very well.
DMack

  • posted by sleK
  • Sat, May 18, 2002 10:34pm

That doesn't answer the questions.

What is there to gain?

What is the UFCW doing (what has the UFCW done?) to provide it?

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Sat, May 18, 2002 10:44pm

If you are looking for a history lesson, well I don't have it. I just know that from my seat it looks fine. If you are looking for corruption from me or any other sources maybe you should check out mafia.com.
To Gain= better collective agreement for the future, it only gets better.
In this part of the country we are doing very well thank you.
Trying hard to answer your question. Feel free to ask any other quetions.
DMack

  • posted by sleK
  • Sat, May 18, 2002 10:55pm

Oh c'mon!
The first question is really easy.
Here, I'll answer it for you.

quote:


What is there to gain?


Safer working conditions.
Education.
Comprehensive benefits for workers regardless of position.
Higher wages.
Efficient contract language.

... and that's just a few.

Admittedly the next question is tough, especially for a blatant UFCW supporter such as yourself.

Is it safe to assume that your unwillingness to even attempt to answer is because you'd come up with the same answer as me?....

quote:


What is the UFCW doing (what has the UFCW done?) to provide it?


.
.
.
.
.
.

Speaks volumes though, doesn't it?

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Sat, May 18, 2002 11:11pm

I am losing the question because you are looking for something that is "silly". I cannot show the entire collective bargaining agreement, that is insane. Do not speak to me as an idiot. Listen my union has supported me and is there for issues.
If anybody can stir it I can. U F C W is a money machine. We all benefit so just accept it and get on with it.
Later(good nite)
DMack

  • posted by sleK
  • Sat, May 18, 2002 11:31pm

quote:


We all benefit so just accept it and get on with it.




Case closed.

  • posted by weiser
  • Sun, May 19, 2002 9:30am

Doug has mistaken a cow pie for a Frisbee. His disc is nowhere near as aerodynamic as a real Frisbee, and it can't really go the distance. It gets pretty slimy in foul weather and stinks to high heaven when you look at it real close. When you do a scientific analysis of Doug's Frisbee, the report comes back as 100% bull &##@!

  • posted by Scott Mcpherson
  • Sun, May 19, 2002 12:02pm

quote:


This is a respected site


Given that Dmac has committed to the above statement for me shows he's moved ever so slightly from "UFCW troll" status to a contributor with a different point of view. I don't know how the rest of you feel but I'm willing to cut him a little slack here.

Doug your right when you say there is so much to gain through educating the members and what sleks trying to bring out of you is specifics. [ie improved internal union involvement, better CBA enforcement in the store, more active community participation etc etc etc]

However, I've long been a huge critic of the UFCW's so called education programs. I think they're a waste of time and money. Empty meaningless pom pom courses designed to give the impression of educating to justify the governments education grants without actually empowering anyone. What decent courses the CLC and in some cases the unions themselves do put on are saved specifically for the chosen few who want their seat at the trough bad enough to look the other way and hold their breath when things really begin to stink.

The UFCW's basic shop steward course [without the pom pom shit] combined with elements of the advanced shop steward course is a good course if it's used to introduce all new members to the union. It should be provided to all new members and it does contain some usefull things for people to know, and it can be a lot of fun [particularly if Don Wilson is teaching it] The thing to remember is in this industry we didn't ask to join the union we were told we had to as a condition of employment. A modified combination of these two courses done right would be a very good icebreaker and perhaps encourage more future active participation in the union by making an employees first taste of the union sweet instead of sour. As it currnetly stands today 99% of UFCW members's first experience with the union is having their initiation fees deducted from their paycheck. Never a good way to say hello.

If unions are to be more than a dues collection agency then a new members first experience with the union has to be different. I'm completely in favour of elimination initiation fees altogether. You shouldn't have to pay to join a union it sends the wrong impression [or as it currently stands the precise impression] of what being a union member is all about...money.

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Wed, May 29, 2002 1:18pm

Was given a warning at work today from a rank and filer!
Seems some UNeducated people think I started the CAW
Drive at Maple Grove [flattering but UNtrue]
Seems to this individual that I will be on the "target list" for
termination! Good Luck to any who try.
"I support the CAW wholeheartedly because I know they have
a foundation that is strictly for the worker,way more so than UFCW"
Through EDucation I have found out that the workers at M Grove
were given an awesome opportunity with the CAW.
UNeducated people who find out later and as time goes by that
the UFCW is but a farce. ~~~~~The UFCW is paying BIG$$$$$$
to keep our voices silent in the ballot boxes at the OLRB~~~~~~
Shame UFCW1000a, Are you NERVOUS?? Are you Cowardly or
just knowing that the CAW will be the VICTOR on Counting DAY!

  • posted by Scott Mcpherson
  • Wed, May 29, 2002 5:29pm

You guys have sure been low key since the vote, why?

  • posted by remote viewer
  • Wed, May 29, 2002 5:43pm

wannabeCAW: You can't be fired for supporting the union of your choice. If the company tries to lay some trumped up charges on you, your union is obliged to represent you. That applies whether it's the CAW or the UFCW. So if anybody gives you a hard time, you call up Kevin Corporon himself (assuming that the UFCW is still your representative at the time) and demand representation (or your dues cheerfully refunded ).

  • posted by <DEMOCRACY>
  • Fri, May 31, 2002 6:59pm

I LIKE THE TRUTH NO MATTER WHICH SIDE SO AGIN THERE WERE NO HOT DOGS ON VOTE DAY. AND TWO MORE THINGS. 1. THE CAW DID NOT WANT LOTS AND LOTS OF PART-TIMERS TO VOTE. 2. THE UFCW DOESNT WANT BALLOTS COUNTED YET FOR I GUESS LEGAL REASONS I HEARD. SO BOTH UNIONS DOING SOME WRONG THINGS.

now that the vote is over some of us who are actualy working at maple grove are wondering when the democracy is going to start happening. the ufcw put their puppets in as apointed union stewards and they said and they put up on the union board in the warehouse that there would be elections for union stewards after the vote. then they apointed some guy who is never around as a union representatave to thier so called warehouse comittee. well the vote is over and all we want is proper elections so that the workers can vote in the union stewards and the warehouse comittee union representive. when is this going to happen. where is the democracy you promised. we want people who know the contract, and can write grievances, who have experience. we dont want handpicked puppets who just kiss brain ried's a$$ all day all the time. you guys know who you are. everybody knows it and we can see it. its time for proper elections.

  • posted by caw4transport
  • Wed, Jun 12, 2002 7:42am

Does anybody know if the hearing at the labour board today will be taking place? After the meeting can somebody give a full-report on what,s happening @ maplegrove, employee,s are waiting.

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Fri, Jun 14, 2002 9:32pm

There was a notice on the boards that the hearing was being cancelled and to be held on the week of July 21st. No reason was given.
later dmack

  • posted by siggy
  • Fri, Jun 14, 2002 10:12pm

quote:


No reason was given.


Who's got some wild guesses? There must be some information floating around about why the hearing would be postponed/dragged_out another month.

  • posted by <CAWMAN>
  • Sat, Jun 15, 2002 6:57am

I "heard" that it was the company's request. Apparently the original dates were not a good time for them. Someone please expand on this or correct me if I am wrong.

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Mon, Jun 17, 2002 7:05pm

As a 'puppet','chosen one', or even 'cheerleader' I don't like lies. It was never posted that there would be elections. It was said that there would be elections. Filling out a grievence is one thing and resolving a complaint is another. Any member can file their own greivence at any time. So what is the problem. Go get a greivence fact sheet a start the process, if you are getting so hung up on it.
Question everything, never accept 'the answer'.
Information and communication.
later dmack

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Fri, Jun 28, 2002 9:50pm

I AM VERY BORED WITH THE MAPLE GROVE NON ISSUES
please people have the balls to talk. damn cowards the stupid lot of you all.
d mack

  • posted by siggy
  • Fri, Jun 28, 2002 10:00pm

quote:


I AM VERY BORED WITH THE MAPLE GROVE NON ISSUES
please people have the balls to talk. damn cowards the stupid lot of you all.
d mack


d mack ... want to tell us about it?

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Sat, Jun 29, 2002 7:36am

quote:


I AM VERY BORED WITH THE MAPLE GROVE NON ISSUES


It seems that Doug and the rest of the UNTOUCHABLES see no issues at Maple Grove because they aren't the ones taking it up the as* every day like the rest of the membership.

Doug, you know the issues so get to work on them!

DeMoN

  • posted by Scott Mcpherson
  • Sat, Jun 29, 2002 9:37am

what's going on with that vote? this is bullshit those ballots haven't been counted yet and you guys should threaten to walk until they are...you have a right to choose your union and that right has been taken away from you with this unacceptable delay.

  • posted by Fisher
  • Sat, Jun 29, 2002 11:18am

Hi Scott Mcpherson:

I can relate to your frustrations as fifteen years ago there was a similar situation at my plant and we are going thought the same thing again. An interesting note is the same two unions were involved fifteen years ago, the UFCW and the CAW. More recently it is between the UFCW and a upstart so-called Atlantic Meatpackers Union. Again a point of interest is a document I have in my possession from the CAW's president Buzz to the effect that the CAW and the UFCW have decided that raiding between the two unions and the cost involved was counter productive and damaging to the labour movement at large. The needs of working Canadians was being served equally well by both unions and the internal politics that gives rise to these raids was best handled internally.

In Solidarity

Fisher

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Sun, Jun 30, 2002 7:15am

Scott, the reason the votes haven't been counted is because the Loblaws and the UFCW have submited to the OLRB that the vote was "untimely" so there are hearings set for July/22-25 to argue the outstanding issues before the votes are counted (if the CAW wins the argument).

I think the UFCW and Loblaws will drag this out well beyond the hearing date though, so don't expect the ballots to be counted for some time.

There is no solidarity at Maple Grove because of the huge inflow of new hires who don't know the issues and this won't change for at least another 1-2 years.

After the hiring stops and the partime turnover slows down we can start kicking some ass at Maple Grove (hopefully with the CAW at the helm).

We will keep you guys up to date when the hearings start on the 22nd or you can go watch the circus yourselves at 505 University Avenue, Toronto, On. (the hearings are open to the public)

DeMoN

  • posted by remote viewer
  • Sun, Jun 30, 2002 8:45am

Fisher, what is it about the emergence of a new union that causes unions like the UFCW so much consternation? Are we to expect that from now until the end of time there will be no unions other than the ones we currently have? Is this a good thing?

  • posted by Scott Mcpherson
  • Sun, Jun 30, 2002 9:46am

quote:


There is no solidarity at Maple Grove because of the huge inflow of new hires who


Now I thought the jobs in MG were to go to closing warehouse's not people off the street? what's changed?

  • posted by 1234
  • Sun, Jun 30, 2002 10:28am

quote:


Again a point of interest is a document I have in my possession from the CAW's president Buzz to the effect that the CAW and the UFCW have decided that raiding between the two unions and the cost involved was counter productive and damaging to the labour movement at large. The needs of working Canadians was being served equally well by both unions and the internal politics that gives rise to these raids was best handled internally.


by Fisher

I would like to know more about this letter from Buss Hargrove. When was it written and why? I would like to know why unions spend so much money on keeping the rights of members, because our rights do not belong to any union, nor should our dues money.

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Sun, Jun 30, 2002 11:46am

Scott, All employees at the closing warehouses were offered work at Maple Grove and those that took a position are now working there except for about 40 workers from Fortinos that will come when the Hamilton warehouse closes next summer.

DeMoN

  • posted by <rebelwithoutapause>
  • Sun, Jun 30, 2002 11:51am

quote:


Again a point of interest is a document I have in my possession from the CAW's president Buzz to the effect that the CAW and the UFCW have decided that raiding between the two unions and the cost involved was counter productive and damaging to the labour movement at large. The needs of working Canadians was being served equally well by both unions and the internal politics that gives rise to these raids was best handled internally.


If I'm a worker and I'm not happy with my union why the hell should I care what letters have been signed by the union fat cat that I'm trying to escape from?

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Sun, Jun 30, 2002 2:35pm

What the heck is being said here regarding Buzz?
No CAW official shall ever sign a document which undermines
workers RIGHTS in CANADA.
Happy Birthday Canada!
May the next 135 years be better than the first 135.
With people here like you all and Buzz Mrs.Casselman etc.,etc
we shall be all right.
Power to the LEFT Power to the people........PEACE

  • posted by wannabeCAW
  • Tue, Jul 2, 2002 6:28pm

It is nice to let our energies as workers gel and fight the common oppressors as sometimes brought on by mngmnt derelicts.
Myself I have filed a formal written complaint to IR and the big bosses were addressed to my
distressful situation. That situation is my supervisor talking about my attendance and pending disciplinary actions to an outside worker who brings in truckloads of produce.
This boss has been sneaking around peeking through racks trying to find somebody eating or smoking or I don't know to get some union guy in heck. Everybody rank and file dislike this spvsr. So instead of an informal complaint I made it serious and quite formal.
As a group we have many many complaints about this supervisor guy, but it seems nothing will satisfy our working group until the accussed is sent on his way where he will NOT disrupt our business in getting our job done like true produce distribution professionals.
Thanks MFD for educating us all, with a team like you'all LOOK OUT "the workers shall prevail for WE ARE THE POWER SOURCE"

  • posted by Shadow
  • Tue, Jul 2, 2002 6:51pm

Good for you wannabe. Formal complaints tend to get more attention. Informal stuff gets ignored, that's why management likes it better when you keep these things informal.

Do you have any anti-harassment language in your collective agreement? That might be helpful.

  • posted by Scott Mcpherson
  • Fri, Jul 5, 2002 4:47pm

quote:


Hargrove has issued an alert to more than 150,000 CAW members across Ontario to be prepared to walk off the job and support the people on strike at the truck plant.


MapleGrove workers should be thinking about that statement above when talk of which union, CAW or UFCW is the better representative. Hell would free over before the UFCW would ever even consider such a bold move of solidarity. There's no question who's the phony tough and who's the crazy brave.

  • posted by doug mackenzie
  • Fri, Jul 5, 2002 9:56pm

Hargrove has his own agenda. A new political party. The money to finance these aspirations comes from??? Canada??
Nobody supported that crazy comment to drive to the line. You are very right in saying that it show the power of that union , c a w. Their philosophy of negotiating is very outdated. Economically outdated. Enough!
The issues Maple Grove are being dealt with on a day to day situation. What else do you expect Hagen??? The response has provoked most of the management staff to be unable to talk to the union without problem.
dmack

  • posted by Scott Mcpherson
  • Sun, Jul 7, 2002 10:44am

Doug I don't understand your last post

  • posted by <bottomline>
  • Wed, Jul 10, 2002 8:56am

no,real progress or action took place until the learned caw boys came from kitch,,,there only stumbling block has been the non-action of the ufcw.. tnx and keep it up

  • posted by remote viewer
  • Wed, Jul 10, 2002 7:18pm

What's been going on over there recently? Are you seeing any more of your UFCW representatives? How are managers and supervisors reacting to the possibility of having a different union to deal with?

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Thu, Jul 11, 2002 8:01am

Most of the membership at Maple Grove is very quiet these days, just putting in time till the hearings on July 22-25.

The CAW trained "health & safety" rep from Kitchener has taken over the health and safety comittee at Maple Grove and has accomplished more in 3 weeks than the UFCW have in 11 months.

They are firing people faster than they can hire and train replacements. Starting next Monday the are hiring 24 new partimers a week till the end of the summer.

Good news for all the CAW supporters is that an employee that we all wanted to see fired has finally given us our wish

Most of the membership now see the truth about the lack of representation from the UFCW. If it wasn't for the CAW supporters pushing for changes, and standing up for their rights that nothing would ever get done at Maple Grove. Maybe all the UFCW supporters think that things are perfect already........

Management in the perishable department is under the gun to perform or else. I think they'll run out of managers willing to take the senior suppervisor position soon because of the stress levels. The fact that most of the employees in the perishable department don't take any crap from them doesn't help the situation either (lots of CAW supporters in there).

I think the UFCW and the company will keep the ballots from being counted for as long as they can but we hope that they get counted before the end of the year and we can get on with things (one way or the other).

Doug, your last few post don't make a lot of sense to most (if not all) of the people reading them. Could you read them over or better yet have someone else read them before you hit the "add reply" button.

DeMoN

  • posted by weiser
  • Thu, Jul 11, 2002 6:15pm

DeMoN!!!!

Where the heck have you been? You don't be stayin' out 'till all hours. We expect you in the site by 11:00 p.m. weeknights and 1:00 a.m. on weekends.

You can't just come and go as you please. And if you are going to be late, you e-mail. Understand?

Good to hear from ya.

  • posted by DeMoN
  • Thu, Jul 11, 2002 9:04pm

Hey weiser, sorry about the lack of posts but I was burned out and needed a rest. I'll try to get on here more often as new info comes available.

10 days and counting....

DeMoN

  • posted by <CAWMAN>
  • Tue, Jul 23, 2002 12:32am

The 10 days are up. Today was the first of 4 consecutive days schedualed for meetings with the labour board. Does anyone have an update of what happened today? Demon? Anyone?

  • posted by remote viewer
  • Tue, Jul 23, 2002 5:24am

Yes, please give us an update on what's happening. What are the issues that the LRB is going to decide and what are the arguments of the two unions? Maybe someone who attended at the hearing can fill us in. This is an important event in the story that's unfolding at Maplegrove.

  • posted by <CAWMAN>
  • Tue, Jul 23, 2002 6:36pm

Ok im getting impatient here Day two of four with the labour board and still no information. Someone talk to us!!!!

  • posted by Dougle
  • Thu, Jul 25, 2002 12:46pm

DeMoN Pls You must still be burned out to be so blind.

quote:


If it wasn't for the CAW supporters pushing for changes, and standing up for their rights that nothing would ever get done at Maple Grove. Maybe all the UFCW supporters think that things are perfect already........


What changes have the Caw supporters alone have done? Do you not think that pehaps some of the changes that you claim to have made were already in the process of being changed by UFCW. Not all the Ufcw supporters thinks it's all perfect .... but once again we are doing things differently....quietly and with results.

  • posted by sleK
  • Thu, Jul 25, 2002 10:38pm

quote:


quietly and with results


LMAO!!!!!

Ya... right.

I'll believe that when I see it.


  • posted by weiser
  • Fri, Jul 26, 2002 7:58am

Dougle, the UFCW reacts. If the CAW wasn't present, the UFCW wouln't have anything to react to.

If it looks like the UFCW is chasing the company it may simply be that the CAW pit bull is chasing the UFCW and the company in the same direction. It may be that the company being a little faster than the UFCW is creating the "illusion" of the company running away from the UFCW.

  • posted by Dougle
  • Sun, Aug 4, 2002 3:50am

I don't see any CAW "pitbulls" doing anything.but I do see some of the UFCW stewards doing something to make a difference. "Pitbulls" ya right alot of barking but then again most neutered mutts do that.

  • posted by <Roussy>
  • Thu, Aug 22, 2002 7:33pm

(edited) You know as well as I do The only reason Changes are being made is because WE (THE CAW PITBULLS) Demand Changes ,I have yet to see ONE UFCW Member stand up for their Rights, Sorry ( their are a handfull of ufcw members who have the balls to speak their mind they know who they are) You should be thanking us instead of hiding out in the shadows while we fight for whats right for everybod working at maple GRAVE. Unlike yourself we beleive in solidarity And we will allways look out for whats good for everybody not whats good for lets say 120 guys!!! Anyhow in a few days we will all find out ( hopefully) the outcome of the vote, then we can start from there and force the company to start listening to us. In the meantime (Dougle) Go get (edited) Oh yah GO C.A.W GO

ed=attack the idea not the poster:

  • posted by booger
  • Thu, Aug 22, 2002 8:33pm

Mr. Roussy how do 120 affect you?
What did you old future hold(be honest)?
Does your wife like the paycheques?
Do you really know what you are talking about?
Man I have heard alot of crap from the maple grove people. What are the members living in? What is really so f ' in bad at the Grove?
booger

  • posted by booger
  • Thu, Aug 22, 2002 8:33pm

Mr. Roussy how do 120 affect you?
What did you old future hold(be honest)?
Does your wife like the paycheques?
Do you really know what you are talking about?
Man I have heard alot of crap from the maple grove people. What are the members living in? What is really so f ' in bad at the Grove?
booger

  • posted by <MR.Roussy>
  • Fri, Aug 23, 2002 11:50am

Hi (BOOGER?) Don't be afraid to use your real name.
Yes my wife likes the pay cheques! You are just as blind as the others. I guess it doesn't matter how you are treated at work , as long as the pay is good right?. Man you guys blow my mind.Do you even work at maple grove? Teacher can i go to the bathroom? Better not call in sick more than 3 times a year! oh yah and if you do come in when you are sick better make 92.5% or red bum you go! How bad is it going to get? Maby if you worked at maple grove you would know what I am talking about! Sorry once again i,m not used to being treated like a 6 year old. Maby you can handle it but I cant ,and won't.

Go CAW GO!!!!!!!!

  • posted by booger
  • Fri, Aug 23, 2002 7:21pm

How would the caw change things?
Can't the employees get together andstand up for their rights. That environment sounds crazy, what are your stewards doing for you? The union shouldn't allow that kind of simple minded management.
YO

  • posted by booger
  • Fri, Aug 23, 2002 10:00pm

The booger just wants the answers roussy.
If you responding to the ??? please answer the ??
How better would you personally be if caw was still controlling the choice of the alleged members?
Maybe in reality only 32 people benefit from all this hardship.
Your thoughts Mr. Roussy. Please be breif .....not like your supporting laywer. To the point PLEASE!
YO

  • posted by siggy
  • Fri, Aug 23, 2002 10:36pm

K .. I have scanned all 10 pages of this thread. The information/events in the warehouse since the vote are sketchy at best. Could someone with typing skills please take over and tell me (possibly others too) what the issues are in the warehouse right now. Who is doing the servicing while all this is going on?

  • posted by sleK
  • Fri, Aug 23, 2002 10:55pm

Start a new thread.

This one has already traversed too many different aspects of the situation to be of any use.

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