What an odd name!
A century and a half ago, when workers worked without pay on this continent, they didn't have a last name, either.
They identified themselves as "Mr. Haralson's Jimmy," or "Mr. Jones' Sallie Mae," etc.
Wanted-Solidarity at MapleGrove
Hello everyone I am back ( formally scott_ufcw_lester)...
Listen we all agree that we need solidarity at MG. please anyone give some suggestions on how this is possible.
I am a UFCW supporter, but when it comes down to it we need solidarity.
When the vote happens and The CAW win I will wave the white flag because I know we have to be one in MG.
So if anyone can give some feedback would be great..
have a nice day!!
oh my...
Solidarity shall only come when justice is served. 
A start towards building solidarity is to tell the UFCW to stop terrorizing people (including its very own members) with lawsuits. Your own local president is threatening a Local 1000a member with legal action. Does that help build solidarity? Don't think so. Is it a good use of members money? You tell me.
It doesn't matter that nobody at Maplegrove is being sued. By suing people, the union is saying: "It's our way or the highway. That's the kind of union that we are." That's not how you build solidarity.
No justice - no peace!
Solidarity is already here.
You don't need justice to be in solidarity with one another as workers.
In fact, if you AREN'T in solidarity with one another, your chances for winning some sort of justice at work and in the union and in society are pretty slim.
Allow me to conclude by saying that solidarity doesn't preclude some pretty stiff criticism and vigorous internal debate within in the union, too.
And what if the union tries to squelch dissent and debate? You still remain committed to one another - despite and indeed because of some of the injustices done you.
Changing unions changes none of this. Every union needs a vigorous internal life, and a programme for radically transforming the whole of society from its present state to something better and more humane.
Even if you do change unions, you still need to make your union a democratic one. Becoming CAW members won't change that imperative.
Democracy, after all, isn't something that comes as a gift from above. It isn't bequethed to you from the union leadership (They have their own interests, even the CAW bureaucracy. Let's not be fooled here!).
Democracy isn't something that you buy, like a brand of toothpaste. It's not a matter of choosing Colgate over Crest. You don't change your union - really change, truly transform it, I mean - by choosing one "brand" over another.
And if you do choose Crest over Colgate, or Colgate over Crest, that isn't democracy. That's just the market.
Democracy isn't something you can even vote for, necessarily. The mere existence of a vote, any vote, doesn't mean you have a democracy.
Democracy is something you have to work to build. It requires the cooperation of your fellow workers. It needs politics. In other words Democracy is something you have to organize for.
And often, Democracy is something that you have to fight for.
When building a better democracy it's imperative to have a decent foundation 'fore you start.
Staying, switching or simply choosing are all good democratic options.
It would seem to me that one way for the workers at Maplegrove to achieve greater solidarity would be for them to get together as workers and decide what they want from their employer, what kind of workplace they want, what kind of working conditions they want, what kind of work rules (i.e., scheduling, shift rotations, etc.) and then to say to their union: this is what we want, you're going to work on our behalf to get it for us.
If the union doesn't want to do it, then the workers could have a similar discussion about what kind of union they want.
I think Scotty_Lester and DeMoN and some scrutineers should get together and ask the two unions to help them conduct a vote of all the unions' members who will eventually be moved to Maplegrove. You don't need a labour board. You need the Power Source. Solidarity comes when the democratic wishes of the majority are met.
Arguments right now are being fought by unions to see who "legally" gets to keep the assets. If some law or CLC rule forces a majority into a union they neither respect or want, then turmoil will always rein supreme.
In reality, you don't need the labour board to conduct a vote. You need the unions to agree, and if they decide that a clean vote favours one over the other then they can transfer the certification to the winning union.
SOLIDARITY-----[NOUN:PLURAL]
1.A UNITY OF INTERESTS,PURPOSES,OR SYMPATHIES AMONG A GROUP
Participant...I must say I'm intrigued as to who you are and while I would never want you to answer I'm currious none the less. I enjoy reading your posts and I think your input is a benefit to all who read what you have to say. Welcome to the forum and I look forward to your sharing more of your views in the future.
Polonius, probably, but:
Democracy is the process of building a democracy; a union is the process of unionizing; solidarity is the process of forming allegiances.
It's when everybody thinks they're finished that the trouble starts.
That's the genius and agony of capitalism: it's never finished.
Help! Jane! Stop this crazy thing!
edit: an accident of juxtaposition makes it appear that this post responds to the question "who is participant" with the answer "polonius". that is not the case. scott's comment wasn't there when i started writing this one.
Drive_on said:
quote:
Democracy is the process of building a democracy; a union is the process of unionizing; solidarity is the process of forming allegiances.
I think in the process of unionizing, one should engage in the process of building a democracy and when all who are involved in these endeavors believe in them, they naturally engage in building allegiances.
I also note that "building" is an ongoing process. The project should never be complete.
Perhaps a possible solution to the solidarity issue may be to create a level playing field. Some think of the UFCW as a two tier Union. One has protected jobs etc, etc, while that other do not, etc, etc. Give the "others" something anything as an act of good faith " You catch more flies with honey then with vinegar." ie. Downgrades. "Others" get downgraded before "protected", get rid of it give them their full seniority.... Any suggestions to a type of compromise????? It can't be "all or nothing" all the time.
What about bring them in by company seniority? First come first serve!
No-one's happy when they have to wait in line, but everyone is happy when they're next!
If company seniority is compromised than there is no next! 
quote:
posted by siggy:
What about bring them in by company seniority? First come first serve!
No-one's happy when they have to wait in line, but everyone is happy when they're next!
If company seniority is compromised than there is no next!
CLAP, CLAP, CLAP
I totally agree with you siggy. I wish we could get rid of the "Super Senority" thing we have going on at MG.
I dont like it, and I am working on something as we speak to try to get rid of it.
At work I dont like seeing someone with 20 years with the company picking before someone that has like 2.
Don't get me wrong I do support the UFCW but I dont always have to agree with everything!!
quote:
posted by siggy:
[QB]No-one's happy when they have to wait in line, but everyone is happy when they're next!
[QB]
Cashier wisdom.
quote:
Cashier wisdom
Smart ass comment
I'm still grappling with Scotty L agreeing with me!
quote:
posted by siggy:
[QB]Smart ass commentquote:
Cashier wisdom
Smart ass? nah...
Hey -- I ever tell you about the time I was running register in a book store and our UFCW organizer came in and bought a copy of The Godfather?
weiser
moderator
Member # 82
posted 03-06-2002 07:01 AM
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I think Scotty_Lester and DeMoN and some scrutineers should get together and ask the two unions to help them conduct a vote of all the unions' members who will eventually be moved to Maplegrove.
I dont know whats going on but i also agree with weiser on this one.
I am going to talk to DeMoN today and see what he says about this....
Thanks a lot for the advice weiser and I am going to pursue this
Scott_L said:
quote:
Don't get me wrong I do support the UFCW but I dont always have to agree with everything!!
Finally, a breakthorough! Scott, no one here has all the answers. We try to look at facts and make some sense out of them. Some who do not think much of the UFCW have moved off their position on specific issues once they hear what a UFCW supporter has to say, some don't.
When this site gets lively is when persons ignore the facts, take cheap crude shots, spout baseless propaganda and avoid debating issues. In my mind, no one on this site is 100% right or 100% wrong. Just as in my mind, there may be a better alternative to both the CAW and the UFCW.
Scott, you are expected to hold beliefs until proven wrong by logic and cogent argument. I think that's the expectation of self and others from most who visit this site.
On with the debates!
How do we know these post's are the real Scott Lester???????
quote:
posted by Beaver:
How do we know these post's are the real Scott Lester???????
Oh its me!!!! If you want e-mail me and I could e-mail you back
To be honest who the hell would pretend to be me??
Well Scott for us out here in cyber land this seems like an about face. Granted in real time it's been a while since you last posted and I'm sure a lot has changed. I suggested the company senority thing a while back and was told flat out by UFCW supports no way. Kitchner people knew the deal before they got to MG. and should be lucky to have it, nothing was going to change. While I'm glad you've not stood firm in that unfortunate position I am a little surprised. What changed your mind? are others feeling the same way?
Anybody can take a side and right or wrong fight to the bitter end defending it. Few are ever willing to open up to the idea that perhaps there is a better way and at the very least give it true consideration. Full re-posting by company senority is the best solution to healing a posioned environment regardless of what union represents the workers at Maple Grove. I think it takes tremendous leadership on your part to be willing reconsider your previous position for the good of the group. Good for you.
Thanks Scott M I really do appriciate that!!!
Scotty_L, to what can we attribute this change of attitude? You went from staunch UFCW supporter to open to new ideas? I am a little skeptical as you can well imagine?
the mach-man:
keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer?
Very interested in the 'Company Seniority' aspect of the Maple Grove situation. I think some people have to come clean on this issue.
I am sick of defending 'members' who if they don't get their required resolve quickly put on an auto workers's hat.
Union solidarity?? Most of the caw people at Maple Grove are only interested in their own issues. Union solidarity is built over time, establishing a solid foundation. Something that, UFCW members(from other locals and many different situations) understand.
To undermine the current union position is becoming silly.
IF IT DOESN'T WORK CHANGE NO
IF IT DOESN'T WORK FIX IT YES
quote:
Very interested in the 'Company Seniority' aspect of the Maple Grove situation.
Me too! Could someone please explain in detail what the issues are regarding seniority? From the many posts I gather ufcw 1000a members got first dibs on positions regardless of their length of service with the company.
quote:
I think some people have to come clean on this issue.
Good point!
quote:
I am sick of defending 'members' who if they don't get their required resolve quickly put on an auto workers's hat. Union solidarity?? Most of the caw people at Maple Grove are only interested in their own issues.
Is this true only of CAW supporters or do most members exhibit self serving motives?
quote:
Union solidarity is built over time, establishing a solid foundation. Something that, UFCW members(from other locals and many different situations) understand.
Are you sure only UFCW supporters understand this? Got anything to back that up?
quote:
To undermine the current union position is becoming silly.
Apparently others think you are wrong (witness many opposing posts)
quote:
IF IT DOESN'T WORK CHANGE NO
IF IT DOESN'T WORK FIX IT YES
This is the crux of the whole discussion. It doesn't end because you capitalize it. 
WOW
Is company seniority that hard to understand?
Are we not talking about Loblaws and National Grocers?
If you can't participate in the answers to these question than what is this all about?
The truth is that...............
???????????????????????
YES I GET THE LAST WORD.
ask anybody
quote:
WOW
Is company seniority that hard to understand?
Actually it is the answers to simple questions I am having trouble understanding!
quote:
Are we not talking about Loblaws and National Grocers?
Are we? That is what I am trying to figure out! For the benefit of those of us who are not close to the situation maybe a short clear explanation, (whole sentences and facts appreciated)!
quote:
If you can't participate in the answers to these question than what is this all about?
You tell me!
quote:
The truth is that...............
???????????????????????
YES I GET THE LAST WORD. ask anybody
Don't think so! 
Here we go again! Debates on the situationat Maplegrove ON. which is Loblaw Companies
East a.k.a.National Grocers. The union currently in place is ufcw1000a by way of voluntary regonition.
At first announcement 1000a was not losing a single case of distribution/there would be non 1000a warehouses closing---The NG warehouses closing were Chatham(teamsters)/London(teamsters)/Kitchener(caw)and Fortino's(former ufcw175 now ufcw1000a). The new warehouse (maplegrove) would absorb the closing warehouses distribution obligations. Pro UFCW men will say we did non1000a men a HUGE favor by letting them dovetail their company seniority after (non affected)1000a men picked the opening jobs first.Pro ufcw men have stated these men affected by closure were lucky to have a job! Abuse runs on in the heated working environment!
Pro CAW men(teamsters seem to have washed their hands of their former members) argue that their work did not close down but was Transferred to another location.They feel and I agree it was their work not 1000a. In ending this post I am grateful the CAW is there to rescue me from an International union I no longer respect.
One question to anyone who may know(for the benefit of a doubt) "Is there any books that have been written by UFCW leaders that I can read" I just wanna learn!!! 
Doug, why do you and certain other UFCW supporters always saying that you have the last word? Out here in cyberspace, you clearly do not. No one does. Are you trying to shut down the discussion or are you just having a hard time adjusting to an environment where no one has the power to stop the talk?
Okay, ahem, doug mackenzie, if that's who you think you are this time around.
Answer these questions:
Why is the UFCW so popular with so many employers, and extremely popular with Loblaws Companies?
Why are you so hot to trot to accept the presidents choice for a union?
Has the UFCW shown you a signed document stating that there are no secret deals or partnering agreements with NG or any other company that will affect workers at Maplegrove?
Are secret deals and partnering agreements good for UFCW members?
Should the current preferential seniority system at Maplegrove be scrapped and replaced with overall seniority (this means that you carry your company seniority with you)?
Should all shifts and jobs be put up for bidding once all units are merged to ensure that all senior people get the right to bid for preferential jobs and shifts?
Asking these guys a question is like waving a chunk of garlic in front of a vampire. They wince and run for cover.
Answers are like daylight. They don't like that either.
See this is the mud-slinging crap Im getting sick of at MG.
I do support the UFCW and all the members who I deal with. Doug M is one of the smartest guys at Maple Grove I deal the guy. He knows how to talk to people and he is well educated.
As well I know some very smart Caw supporters. DeMoN for example is quite educated in the Union enviroment.
But here is the problem that I started this topic about!
The Company will destroy us if we do not get together as a whole.
We need solidarity.
I urge the CAW organizers to get to the Labour Board to get the ball rolling because the uncertinty is getting well out of control!!
THIS IS MY LAST WORD FOR THE NIGHT I NEED TO GO GET DRUNK!
Hey no sense getting bent out of shape Scott. The two unions could agree to have a vote. No need to involve the OLRB.
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posted by remote viewer:
Hey no sense getting bent out of shape Scott. The two unions could agree to have a vote. No need to involve the OLRB.
Im trying not to get bent out of shape R.V But I have asked a few of the CAW supporters about it and they just tell me "Its coming, Its coming"
Honestly I am getting fustraded by it.
I really do think its time to vote and start working together no matter what the out come of it is!!
Scotty_L, Why the rush? Pushing for the vote to take place isn't going to make the division go away.
Waiting 'til Aug. to vote does two things, it gives members time to be informed and the opposing unions time to prove themselves.
Whatever the outcome is after the Aug. vote, all sides will have had ample time to have their say and little to complain about if it hasn't gone their way.
The UFCW could apply for certification. Their voluntary recognition deal doesn't prevent them from doing that. If they wanted to, and were able to sign up enough members, they could file an application for cert and a vote would be held within 5 business days. The CAW could file an intervention in the application and, assuming they have sufficient support, a vote with both unions on the ballot would be held. I think that's how it works.
Just another option.
quote:
The UFCW could apply for certification.
Then what's the hold up, why wouldn't UFCW go ahead and do that? The only thing I can see that would keep them from applying for certification is they don't have enough member support. What would be some other reasons?
quote:
posted by siggy:
Then what's the hold up, why wouldn't UFCW go ahead and do that? The only thing I can see that would keep them from applying for certification is they don't have enough member support. What would be some other reasons?quote:
The UFCW could apply for certification.
I Don't know if that is possible, if it is let me know and I will push the issue. As of right now we have certification at MapleGrove!
Scott Lester.........The Only people that have instilled division in Maple Grove is the "CAW" union and it's Organizers. No one else. The "CAW" have instilled a false hope to their supporters is that some how things will be better if the "CAW" represented the workers in "Maple Grove". What everyone on that side [CAW] forgets is that the "COMPANY" being "NG" will have the final say. What faces the workers is what action those workers will do with the company final say.
You see Scott the ex Kitchener workers have a Huge Grudge against the company for what happened in Kitchener. They are Pissed at the company for what was brought against them from the "Company". They "CAW" supporters want revenge. This action of frustration and vindictiveness will affect "ALL" workers at Maple Grove. The "CAW" supporters want revenge.....look at what it is like at NG. Nothing makes them happy........it is not about "UNIONS" it is about revenge. This attitude has the potential to hurt "ALL" concerned. There will be no peace until they the "SMALL" few who are disruptive understand their agenda will not get them nor anyone else anywhere without huge casualties. If it ever came down to it the "COMPANY" will win and the "CAW" attitude will again be quashed. Just like there attitude was quashed back in 1986 when their negotiating committee ran with their tail between their legs when met with resistance from the company.
In closing.....Scott......the only time peace will come in Maple Grove is when the "UFCW" union which is you the "WORKER" stands high and say's enough is enough. "This is not a CAW represented workplace.....it is a UFCW represented workplace and we the Union [which is you] are tired of the division.......back off CAW and leave us [the workers like you] alone".
"In My Opinion"
Is it wrong for workers to be pissed at the company? Why are you UFCW guys always sticking up for the company?
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posted by <rebelwithoutapause>:
Is it wrong for workers to be pissed at the company? Why are you UFCW guys always sticking up for the company?
No..........it is not wrong for workers to be pissed at the company........the fact is............When worker anger "BLINDS" them then.............."THE WORKERS LOSE"..............
I fail to see where it is that "I" stuck up for the "COMAPNY"
"In My Opinion"
Question for those who have answers?
Why did the CAW not bargain in their last negotiations provisions for "Voluntary Recognition" in their Agreement?
Why did the CAW negotiate in their A&P agreement a clause that stopped G.A. Love workers from carrying "FULL SENIORITY" to that warehouse?
If the "CAW" was so interested in representing the workers at "Maple Grove" then why are they not putting effort in trying to educate the workers on what it is they can do for the workers?
Why did the "CAW" negotiating team agree to a 2 tier wage system their last round of negotiations......given that the UFCW was faced with the same offer but fended it off effectively?
Why are the ex "CAW" members who support the "UFCW" so damn afraid to say they do so without fear of retribution from their old "UNION and MEMBERS"?
Any Takers?
"In My Opinion"
I think a while back Scotty had a good suggestion about putting the more contentious issues to a vote of the members. What would be problem with that? It sounded like a reasonable proposition. After all, the result would represent what the members want.
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posted by remote viewer:
I think a while back Scotty had a good suggestion about putting the more contentious issues to a vote of the members. What would be problem with that? It sounded like a reasonable proposition. After all, the result would represent what the members want.
You are wrong about that........what the majority of the members want is for peace and the "CAW" to leave them alone.........ask the majority they say so......
"In My Opinion"
Whenever the machine sees logic and common sense start to prevail, they send in the trolls. ![[look up]](graemlins/lookup.gif)
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posted by weiser:
Whenever the machine sees logic and common sense start to prevail, they send in the trolls.
Good Response "Weiser"......does this mean that I was right a long time ago with my statement????
"In My Opninion"
quote:
UFCW's_Scott asked:
I Don't know if that is possible, if it is let me know and I will push the issue
quote:
Remote veiwer said:
The UFCW could apply for certification. Their voluntary recognition deal doesn't prevent them from doing that. If they wanted to, and were able to sign up enough members, they could file an application for cert and a vote would be held within 5 business days. The CAW could file an intervention in the application and, assuming they have sufficient support, a vote with both unions on the ballot would be held. I think that's how it works.
Just another option.
Scotty_L if remote viewer says it's possible, then it's possible!
quote:
Remote veiwer said:
The UFCW could apply for certification. Their voluntary recognition deal doesn't prevent them from doing that. If they wanted to, and were able to sign up enough members, they could file an application for cert and a vote would be held within 5 business days. The CAW could file an intervention in the application and, assuming they have sufficient support, a vote with both unions on the ballot would be held. I think that's how it works.
Just another option.
I don't think that this would be possable, as it would be open to abuse by the union that has the "Auto Wreck".
Even if it was possable I don't think the UFCW would take the chance, the last thing they want is a vote at Maple Grove.
"I have an opinion"
It looks like the UFCW took your leash off and set you loose to spew your UFCW rhetoric again.
(bleep!)
edit = bleep speaks for itself. Thanks for being nice!
Scott_L: CYM (check your email)
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posted by slek:
Scott_L: CYM (check your email)
Slek check yours I have responded
quote:
posted by <In My Opinion>:
Good Response "Weiser"......does this mean that I was right a long time ago with my statement????quote:
posted by weiser:
Whenever the machine sees logic and common sense start to prevail, they send in the trolls.
"In My Opninion"
Sorry, you're wrong again.
Sequence:
1) Logic and common sense;
2) Machine Panics
3) Trolls like IHAO arrive spewing nonsense
4) More workers shift in favour of other unions
IHAO: Many pages ago I believe I asked a question about the values of the organization that you support. Could you respond to this question:
What are the the UFCW's values as an organization and how do you think this makes the UFCW a better choice for workers at Maplegrove?
As a CAW supporter I resent the phrase bad attitude in our quest to turf the ufcw!
The UFCW has been given the chance to represent the workers at Maplegrove and
quite frankly a change from the ufcw sounds quite sensible!
In the ufcw's onslaught of bashing the CAW they have only made it worse for themselves!
I do not think there are many CAW workplaces that are seeking a ufcw rescue!
And at last if the company so badly wants the UFCW then our representation must be
inferior due to more Voluntary Wrecks in the future. Company seeks UFCW compliance
or else!
Has anyone ever seen a collective agreement WITHOUT SIGNATURES as we DON'T in our Maplegrove Agreement?
Referring to our Collective Agreement at Maplegrove;
Article 19-General
19.01 Employees shall promptly report to the Company any loss or damage to merchandise,property or equipment or shortage of merchandise and where possible,give a
statement indicating the cause thereof. Failure to do so can result in disciplinary action.
19.02 THE UNION AGREES that it will encourage its members to uphold the rules and regulations of the Company in regard to punctual and steady attendance,proper and sufficient notification in case of absence and conduct on the job.
In my opinion these articles are RAT clauses and Solidarity is at risk! (I'm tellin!)
oh the heroes----
By the way we do NOT get paid any sick days unless it is for more than 3 days/then it is WI
Personally I have been given notice that if I miss 1 day of innocent absenteeism in the next 3
months I shall be hauled in the office for possible discipline.
INNOCENT ABSENTEEISM???
quote:
posted by DeMoN:
"I have an opinion"
It looks like the UFCW took your leash off and set you loose to spew your UFCW rhetoric again.
(bleep!)
edit = bleep speaks for itself. Thanks for being nice![/QB]
Well "Demon" I am glad that I get under your skin.......you see........It is because I can answer your questions with facts and truth as a result I leave you speechless unless you decide to try and take my answers out of context and put your little spin to suit your own agenda. The fact that I answer you in true form makes you upset......sorry buddy.....I have no intention on hurting your little feelings.......but I come here with an answer to any questions that I have "TIME" to answer. Unfortunately some of the questions are so way out to lunch and anyone with common sense can answer them there selves. So therefore I will not waste my time responding. For those questions that I can answer I am only pleased to do so.
"I Have An Opinion"
quote:
posted by wannabeCAW:
As a CAW supporter I resent the phrase bad attitude in our quest to turf the ufcw!The UFCW has been given the chance to represent the workers at Maplegrove and
quite frankly a change from the ufcw sounds quite sensible!
The term bad attitude unfortunately makes the mark of a lot of the "CAW" supporters in MG. When you listen to them closely all they do is complain. Absolutely nothing makes them happy.....if they are not mad at the company then they are mad at the "UFCW". When these workers where in Kitchener the scenario was ...........nothing makes these workers happy, if they are not mad at the company then they are mad at the "CAW". The fact of the matter is these particular individuals will never be satisfied with anything......I believe they are "Chronic" complainers. Let me not miss lead you.....there are a lot of "EX CAW" members who are very happy with the "UFCW" and are only very glad that these "Chronic Complainers" are muffled by the majority of workers who are very happy to be in Maple Grove. If I am wrong, give me some "FACTS" to suggest otherwise.
[QUOTE]posted by wannabeCAW:
In the ufcw's onslaught of bashing the CAW they have only made it worse for themselves!
[reply]
I fail to see how the "UFCW" has lost support on showing the real truth of the "CAW" and it's agenda with respect to MG. The fact is a clear, the majority of MG supports "UFCW". If you need facts then have a look around the warehouse.......the majority of the warehouse wears "UFCW" supporting items to show their support.
[QUOTE]posted by wannabeCAW:
I do not think there are many CAW workplaces that are seeking a ufcw rescue!
[reply]
Well this is a false statement........the fact is the "UFCW" is a "NON RAIDING" union. The "UFCW" has and will continue to direct member frustration onto there respectful union and try to solve their problems internally. The "UFCW" will also help make intervention by calling their particular Union and explain what they know in order to help.
[QUOTE]posted by wannabeCAW:
And at last if the company so badly wants the UFCW then our representation must be
inferior due to more Voluntary Wrecks in the future. Company seeks UFCW compliance
or else!
[reply]
I fail to understand what it is that you are trying to say. If you are criticizing the "UFCW" for having voluntary recognition well then I have news for you......have a look at the "CAW" agreements. They also have voluntary recognition agreements as well. Why would a Union negotiate these terms? It is simple.......it protects working peoples "BEST" interest. If anyone say's that voluntary recognition is a bad thing.........means to me ...is very closed minded and is self serving.
[QUOTE]posted by wannabeCAW:
Has anyone ever seen a collective agreement WITHOUT SIGNATURES as we DON'T in our Maplegrove Agreement?
[reply]
You have had some very good questions. This last comment does not bring you any credibility. What it shows is that you are grasping at straws in order to complain. The fact that the printed copy is not signed does not mean that there is not a signed original. Try again ....next question.
"In My Opnion"
quote:
posted by wannabeCAW:
Referring to our Collective Agreement at Maplegrove;
Article 19-General
19.01 Employees shall promptly report to the Company any loss or damage to merchandise,property or equipment or shortage of merchandise and where possible,give a
statement indicating the cause thereof. Failure to do so can result in disciplinary action.
19.02 THE UNION AGREES that it will encourage its members to uphold the rules and regulations of the Company in regard to punctual and steady attendance,proper and sufficient notification in case of absence and conduct on the job.
In my opinion these articles are RAT clauses and Solidarity is at risk! (I'm tellin!)
oh the heroes----
By the way we do NOT get paid any sick days unless it is for more than 3 days/then it is WI
Personally I have been given notice that if I miss 1 day of innocent absenteeism in the next 3
months I shall be hauled in the office for possible discipline.
INNOCENT ABSENTEEISM???
Is this all you have now? Have you lost the wind out of your sails to the point this is all you have?
You see this is my point about, some posts do not need a response as ....."Common Sense" prevails.
"In My Opnion"
quote:
I shall be hauled in the office for possible discipline.
INNOCENT ABSENTEEISM
Where is your union representation. Has any union Rep taken the time to explain all the implications of absenteeism. There are procedures that management must follow in implementing discipline for absenteeism. There is a difference between abuse of sick leave and innocent absenteeism. Any of the unions reps out there want to break the code of silence and explain in greater details the legal rights of employees in issues of absenteeism.
ABOUT UNIONS
What code of silence?(sorry, that would be a different thread). In many workplaces employers institute attendance policies.During the past ten years, with limited unemploymet, most employers were lax in enforcing them. As the economy has tightened,they are becoming an issue again.
Attendance policies are usually just a part of the employer handbook.Usually, they only appear in negotiations when there's been problems. In either case, the employer has the right to establish them. Unions can challenge them if they are unreasonable or if they are administrated unfairly. In fact, i've seldom seen a term that can't be beat by the desperate treatment argument. Employers love to put rules in place and then let supervisors pick and choose how they are enforced.
Ultimately, an employee who misses too much work can be terminated, even if there was at one point desperate treatment.Your best bet is to know what the policy says and then pay attention to how it is followed. If all else fails, just go to work(i'm a workaholic,so its eay for me to say that).
Thank you weiser, I couldn't have said it better!
This is for my dear friend DeMoN;
Will all do respect DeMoN what the hell are you telling people in your new department?
I am having a lot of people complaining about things you say to them and the antics you are using.
We all know that you do not like the UFCW, I respect that!
But using cheap shots at people is not very professional.
We all have to get along and respect one another. Hopefully the election will be soon and we can move forward, but a problem I see with it is this; You do not like the UFCW so how will you ever be a team player if we win??????
We need Solidarity either way it goes!
Workers in Canada (I don't know if the situation is the same in the US) should know that it can be very difficult for employers to terminate workers who are absent from work due to illness, regardless of what kind of attendance policies the employers have in place.
Provincial human rights legislation prohibits employers from discriminating against workers because of a disability. "Disability" is very broadly defined to include any kind of injury or illness. The legislation also requires employers to accommodate disabled workers - to the point of "undue hardship". Undue hardship tends to be a high bar for employers in Canada as far as I know. It's not good enough for the employer to say "your absences are causing us a problem, so we're going to fire you".
Company policies and collective agreement provisions do no override the law. Most employer know this but would prefer that workers don't know it. There is also some pretty good case law in Canada about the lengths to which employers must go to accommodate disabled workers and some unions have taken an active role in advocating for workers who are sick or injured.
This is a link to the Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy on the Duty to Accommodate disabled workers. http://www.ohrc.on.ca/english/publications/disability-policy.shtml
BTW, I have yet to find an employer that looks forward to dealing with the OHRC.
Scott I don't know what you're talking about. Since going to my new job I don't remmember talking to any UFCW supporters about this campaign.
Myself and 4 other brothers did ask to be represented at shift startup because of a disagreement on upgrade laungage. If the stewards in that department can't take the heat for laungage that doesn't exist in the C.A. and is implemented without membership input, then they better get ready to get burned!
The more I work at Maple Grove the more my eyes are opened to the fact that the stewards on the floor have absolutely no say in the goings on in the UFCW.
The stewards are left trying to put out a forest fire by standing around pissing on it and hoping they don't get burned in the process.
That will put out the small flareups but meanwhile the main fire burns out of control!
When are you going to call a general meeting for the membership (it's been 8 months since M.G. opened)? Is the UFCW afraid to call a meeting?
Where will the meeting be held? If it's anywhere but a local meeting you better be ready for a riot!
Where is the comittee to resolve the startup issues that are very apparent at M.A.? Who is on that comittee? Where are the minutes of the meeting that were held? What issues were resolved?
Why are people still getting downgraded daily? You kept telling us that when all the work was at M.G. there would never be another downgrade.
Are those "Temp" fulltime jobs going to be posted for the membership? If not you can expect to be putting out a lot of fires!
What are you doing about all the injuries that are happening at M.G.? I think we were over 50 people as of last week!
The UFCW talks about winning grievances over Engineered Labour Standards, now show me how thats helping our injured brothers!
The only way these issues are going to get resolved is if we get a union that has the interest of the membership as their first priority, and not as an afterthought!
I could go on for a few more pages, but I think you get the idea!
P.S.
The statement about me not liking the UFCW, doesn't even come close to expressing the feelings I have for the UFCW!!
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posted by remote viewer:
Workers in Canada (I don't know if the situation is the same in the US) should know that it can be very difficult for employers to terminate workers who are absent from work due to illness, regardless of what kind of attendance policies the employers have in place.
Provincial human rights legislation prohibits employers from discriminating against workers because of a disability. "Disability" is very broadly defined to include any kind of injury or illness. The legislation also requires employers to accommodate disabled workers - to the point of "undue hardship". Undue hardship tends to be a high bar for employers in Canada as far as I know. It's not good enough for the employer to say "your absences are causing us a problem, so we're going to fire you".
Company policies and collective agreement provisions do no override the law. Most employer know this but would prefer that workers don't know it. There is also some pretty good case law in Canada about the lengths to which employers must go to accommodate disabled workers and some unions have taken an active role in advocating for workers who are sick or injured.
This is a link to the Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy on the Duty to Accommodate disabled workers. http://www.ohrc.on.ca/english/publications/disability-policy.shtml
BTW, I have yet to find an employer that looks forward to dealing with the OHRC.
ABSENTEEISM
" He ruled that the use of a comparison to one's peer group within the workplace as a trigger point for review is reasonalbe if it is used as a trigger point for review is reasonable if it is used only to flag a potential problem, and does not lead toan automatic cource of action."
Then there is the distinguishing differences between culpable and non-culpable absenteeism.
Any union rep want to explain these concepts to us all? I know of no rep in my union that would break the "code of silence" and freely educalte all members, it might cost them a job if people knew their rights.
TO ME WE CAN CREATE GREATER SOLIDARITY BY EDUCATING ALL OUR MEMBERS TO THEIR LEGAL RIGHTS. THE MORE PEOPLE ARE EDUCATED THE MORE THEY ARE APT TO STAND FOR THEIR RIGHTS. THE MORE WE FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS AS MEMBERS BRINGS US ALL TOGETHER.
DOES YOUR UNION OR UNION LOCAL MAKE AN EFFORT TO EDUCATE ALL THE UNION MEMBERS ON ISSUES LIKE THIS?
My union does not and I belong to the largest union in Canada. From my experiences only union executive members get the opportunity to be educated. I feel that keeping members in the dark about union legalities help keep the "sheep" quite in the field and does nothing for solidarity. Lack of union education for all members also gives those already in power a far greater chance of being re-elected and thereby maintaining the STATUS QUO.
THANK YOU REMOTE VIEWER FOR TAKING THE TIME TO INFORM AND EDUCATE US. WE NEED A LOT MORE OF YOU. THIS TYPE OF CHANGE IS WHAT MOST UNIONS FEAR AND IT APPEARS UFCW.ORG(DISCLAIMER- NO RELATION TO UFCW.NET,) IS NO EXCEPTION WITH THEIR LAW SUIT TO PROHIBIT FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND ANY FURTHERING OF MINDS THAT MAY BRING UPON SOCIAL CHANGE.
I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A SECTION ON THIS WE SITE DEDICATED TO JUST EDUCATING MEMBERS TO THEIR LEGAL RIGHTS. KNOWLEDGE IS EMPOWEREING AND FURTHERS SOLIDARITY IN MY OPINION.
ABOUT UNIONS
I have an opinion asked wannabeCAW-"is his all you
have! Is the wind out of my sails?" ---Get This--
The wind shall never be out of my sails!
As far as reaching and talking about stuff that does not need a response! I am sorry if my frustrations bore some readers! But the Facts---
Your 3 point criteria for hiring p/t to f/t is
discriminatory to say the least! If a p/t make it past probation and is good enough to be scheduled every weekend doing the grunt work--he should be good enough for full time!
I beleive you are a salary guy for ufcw and you better get ready if this vote goes your way you shall straighten out vast unjustices and get results or we shall deem YOU unnecessary at Mgrove! And we will work in house with a member mandate for the workers best and foremost interests! Your own men want a change of direction
from within while some of us as in me obviously want the CAW which has undoubtedly the superior Constitution when up against the UFCW's
One Qustion: when will we a General Membership Meeting! There are a few concerns from dues paying members! 
I have an opinion fella:
Voluntary Recs can be great when implemented with member input and not so much self serving union execs. / A union job should enable workers to get a living wage! There is not a lot of living wages for students who live at home in the voluntary wrecks at new Zehr's stores. Again my freind's daughter started at a ufcw repped store,Starting wage a measely $6.90/hour.You know IHAO this girl
works 4 hour shifts she can NOT afford books for school. I would argue rec deals by the CAW outshine any rec deal implemented by the UFCW---
My belief is the head-count factor has made the UFCW a union where part time jobs outnumber full time family supporting jobs.
Also remember "out of order" to the 1400 signatures at Zehr's GMM--You guys just will not listen to members concerns--Shame on the inconsideration---The members shall never forget!
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posted by wannabeCAW:
... if this vote goes your way you shall straighten out vast unjustices and get results or we shall deem YOU unnecessary at Mgrove! And we will work in house with a member mandate for the workers best and foremost interests!
That's a good way to approach things wannabe. The mandate should come from the members no matter who's representing them.
Have you ever thought that you really can't lose in all this? Even if the vote goes in favor of the UFCW, nothing stops you and the other reformers from running for the executive of your local. Think about it: You guys are dedicated and have some good ideas. I'll bet you could get a lot of people behind you. When is the next election for 1000a's exec?
One point to remember there is culpable abesnteeism and non-culpable absenteeism. As well, all illnesses are not covered by the human rights codes. For example kidney disease is while influenza isn't.
That being said, only the most callous union employer with the most incompetent of unions could get away with firing an employee for being away several times a year. I think the national average is about nine absences per year.
If an employee had an illness and if that employee could provide no medical prognosis stating that the employee could in the foreseeable future attend work on a regular basis, then the employer may be able to terminate that employee. However, such termination would be non-disciplinary.
However, if an employee was off for a year and the prognosis was that the employee would recover in six more months, then the employer would have to wait for the recovery.
Absenteeism affecting continued employment is a complex matter. However, for the type of stuff that is claimed to be from the 1000a contract, I'd say the union is odd for agreeing to that language and if it has the fortitude, it could explain to its members that the company is in left field if it thinks it can use it to jack the members around.
Ah.The Reform/Reformation of 1000a----Is it viable?
With their structure and Constitution could that long hard fight work-out!
I assume with a very structured platform,reformers can collectively win!
It is easy to sleep at night when you are ~~~~two feet in your morals!
I like the dictionary wording for reform:
REFORM--[verb:] 1.To IMPROVE by CORRECTION of ERROR or
REMOVAL of DEFECTS.
2. To ABOLISH ABUSE or MALPRACTICE IN
[noun:] 1.IMPROVEMENT.
2. A MOVEMENT THAT ATTEMPTS TO INSTITUTE
REFORM WITHOUT REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE.
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P.S.
The statement about me not liking the UFCW, doesn't even come close to expressing the feelings I have for the UFCW!![/QB]
If this is true why did you not take the package, Then you could find work in an auto plant.
you knowingly can in to MG as a UFCW member, if you were so against it you would have not come.
You and your 2 buddy's SS and DS are living in a fantasy and should wake up and face reality.
Are concepts like choice, a voice in workplace decisions that affect you, a voice in your union, fantasies? What is the reality that DeMoN and others should, in your view, accept and why should they accept it?
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posted by remote viewer:
Are concepts like choice, a voice in workplace decisions that affect you, a voice in your union, fantasies? What is the reality that DeMoN and others should, in your view, accept and why should they accept it?
Good point RV I will have to get back to that one
Have to think about it!!!!
Scott, Please sit down and tell us all why myself or anyone else at Maple Grove should want the UFCW representing us?
You love to tell us why the CAW should stay out but you never say why the UFCW is so great that I should ignore all the reseach i've done that says the UFCW is not the right choice.
Give it your best shot, because there's nothing I want more than union that will represent "ALL" the membership, and a job that I look forward to going to every day.
Go ahead, make my day.......
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posted by DeMoN:
Give it your best shot, because there's nothing I want more than union that will represent "ALL" the membership, and a job that I look forward to going to every day.
Go ahead, make my day.......[/QB]
DeMoN you are so pig-headed how many times do we have to put you in your place before you relize things.
Dude I think you should go on some long Stress leave.....
YOU NEED IT!!!
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posted by DeMoN:
Give it your best shot, because there's nothing I want more than union that will represent "ALL" the membership, and a job that I look forward to going to every day.
Go ahead, make my day.......[/QB]
DeMoN you are so pig-headed how many times do we have to put you in your place before you relize things.
Dude I think you should go on some long Stress leave.....
YOU NEED IT!!!
Scott, I really appreciate the effort you put into that reply.
It's exactly what I would expect a UFCW supporter to say when they have nothing to substantiate the existence of a "NON" union like the UFCW.
If that is the best you can do, then I suggest you get some real union training (preferably from a real union).
Scott, why is it that the UFCW can find time for a "Action Member/Party/Brain Washing Session" but you can't find time for a "General Membership Meeting"?
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posted by DeMoN:
Scott, why is it that the UFCW can find time for a "Action Member/Party/Brain Washing Session" but you can't find time for a "General Membership Meeting"?
Well instead of crying and whining (CAW) about it why dont you give the action hotline a call about it?
Why are you so upset about the "members in Action" meeting is it because of the lack of support John Aman had at his meeting??
"Oh its true, Its Damn true"
Aren't general membership meetings held on a regular basis? I know that with some unions they're scheduled on a specific day each month and they happen no matter how much or how little there may be to talk about.
remote viewer Im not too sure, That is a very good question.
When I was at my last DC I used to see postings of meetings, but I never got active in my Union till I came to MG.
I will look in to it
thanks
The UFCW is notorious for holding "quarterly" meetings rather than monthly meetings. They'd probably be less often but I think the Constitution requires at least quarterly meetings.
I have a question...how can workers expect any changes when they themselves can't even stop for a second and realize that while they bicker and insult, the corporations sit back and enjoy the fact that everyone is to busy fighting for proper representation instead of actually representing anyone. Also, to the same degree, those above you who run the show enjoy how much you fight among yourselves...it allows them to conduct their "business" without the members paying to much attention.
There is a big difference between bickering and insulting and debate and dialogue. A lot of what you see on this site falls into the latter category. It is a necessary precursor to other things: a common vision of what we want and how to achieve it.
As for what "those above us" are up to, we are well aware and even a cursory examination of this web site should tell you that.
Legit biz guy, what's your interest in coming here anyway? What do you get out of it? It's not that anybody cares that you're here. All are welcome. You just seem so contemptuous of workers. Why would you want to come to a site by and for them?
I have tried to convey to you in numerous ways that i have no contempt for workers. I do however have contempt for those who like to remain ignorant to the world around them. I have stated that i have no ill will towards MFD...infact i am impressed that even in the face of a law suit the site remains active. I don't always agree with what is said...but that is my problem. "I may not always agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death to let you say it." i believe that is how the quote goes. As to my interests in the site, I happen to be concered about the world around me, about what corporations and workers agree or disagree on, and most importantly...about how workers (unionized or not) think. I know how corporations think...i want to know how you think.
Read everything on this site once and you'll have a good idea what the people here are about LBM.
If you follow my instructions, we won't expect to hear back from you for about 34 days. Happy reading.
That's the ignorance i am talking about...i have read the posts made by troll in a few different forums...and gathered that he would prefer to quip smart ass answers and inuslts instead of actually adding to any disscusion. I have read a majority of articles on this site...in fact i just finished "Haunted Houses of Labour." Reading the information on this site will never tell me how workers think as much as listening to the individual worker himself will...so thank you for trying to make me look stupid but I am afraid that your responses are nothing more than the usual crap that a majority of MFD members spew...perhaps your posts should be restricted to the core members forum.
Don't be so sensitive Legit BM. You've made some pretty hot and heavy statements yourself. This is not the boardroom. We're real and raw out here. So if you want to be a part of it, you have to expect that part of it. The info on this site is the product of the efforts of a diverse community of workers. Some of it is just information, some analysis, some opinion. All of it offers you insight into what workers are thinking and thinking about.
What did you think about the "Haunted Houses" anyway? Would you invest a few mil in a bankrupt hotel? Why or why not?
Ahhh...now we get a topic that sparks my interest...Yes, I would invest in a bankrupt hotel if the reason it went bankrupt was clearly determined and easily remedied. Kelloryn Inc. seemed to know the reason these hotels went bankrupt...they did have the money to revamp the infrastructure...but it would seem to me that the UFCW did have the money. I would have to say that the article does present so interesting facts...however, i don't always believe what i read...especially if it is written by an anonymous writer. The article could have been a lot smaller...it could have just stated the fact that those in control of the UFCW pension plan decided to use your money to fix up their hotels so that they could make some cash.
pardon my spelling mistakes...I think faster than I write.
How the heck did LBM get the idea that the pension plan made any money off the hotel deals? The amounts that went in through several different pension plan entities known as I.F. Propcos were not the same amounts that always came out.
If the hotels were big money makers who the heck would question a good investment by a pension plan?
The deal is that CCWIPP was forced into "a correction phase due to solvency requirements in the province of Alberta, where the plan [was] registered."
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In 1996, the mall was sold to Galleria London Inc. a subsidiary of RHK Capital Inc. for $51 million. The Bank of Nova Scotia held a mortgage for $50 million.
Galleria London Inc. borrowed an additional $18.9 million from I.F. Propco Holdings (Ontario) 31 Ltd. against the mall property....
... Early in 2000, I.F. Propco Holdings (Ontario) 51 Ltd. took over the first mortgage held by the Bank of Nova Scotia and on Dec. 29, 2000, I.F. Propco 31 took ownership of the mall for the $42 million owing on the mortgage.
RHK does okay and the Bank gets its money, and CCWIPP through its IF Propcos covers everybodies butts. In my opinion, this doesn't look like a good deal for the pension plan.
I never said the pension plan made money, if it did it was purely accidental...the money was made by those who run the pension plan...I thought I was clear.
just thought I'd remind everyone that this is the Maple Grove thread. [you know...before slek gets ticked at ya] I would like to keep reading on a different thread though.
P.S. I like the contribution LBM makes here even though I don't agree with a lot of what he say's.
Again Scott and Demon, you've both established yourselves as the in house leaders of that warehouse [at least on this site] remember your brothers ok. If UFCW supporters want a quick vote get 1000a to apply for certification. Otherwise relax a bit talk about what's good about your union of choice instead of what's bad about the other. In the end people are going to look to both of you to work together once the vote is in so try to be careful not to burn bridges. Just a thought.
Scotty Lester the only thing consistent with the ufcw is the inconsistencies!Rules seem different from one dept. to the next! Rules seem different by the shift.These CAW men are used to empowerment
They know the term grassroots! I am personally dissatisfied more with the union rather than the company.The union runs a shoddy job selection process/also the time standards are way off and the union wins f all from what I see on the floor.
DeMoN I am surprised you have kept your cool this long.Wait Scott wait till we really get mad and make the ufcw accountable for it's top down ways!
Scott is the 3 point criteria for P/T to F/T JUST
Is?? working before start times JUST? working thru breaks to hit standards JUST? Is being called in to the office w/out representation JUST?
Is the slandering and LIES about the CAW JUST?
The bottom line for both unions is their Constitution's and the CAW outshines the UFCW's
handsdown. The slapp threats to its very own members give the UFCW a huge huge BLACK EYE!
A note to all ufcw supporters go get educated outside the ufcw scope and make the right choice!
p.s. I really admire the CAW negotiated deal at the A&P warehouse that gives the weekend guys a $3/hour premium!
p.s.s.I also like the deal the CAW made that if A&P makes a mistake in pay[greater than$50]the worker gets paid the very next day--Great CAW negotiated clauses
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posted by wannabeCAW:
p.s. I really admire the CAW negotiated deal at the A&P warehouse that gives the weekend guys a $3/hour premium!
p.s.s.I also like the deal the CAW made that if A&P makes a mistake in pay[greater than$50]the worker gets paid the very next day--Great CAW negotiated clauses
Ok John E aka WannabeCAW;
Do you really want to start with the A&P contract?
Why aren't the part-timers covered by the CAW A&P warehouse agreement? Is it because the CAW didn't want them or because the CAW couldn't organize them? It has to be one or the other. There is no middle ground."
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p.s. I really admire the CAW negotiated deal at the A&P warehouse that gives the weekend guys a $3/hour premium!
Don't forget that the UFCW got rid of OT for weekend work at Overwaitea Foods warehouse in exchange for being given a bunch of non-union store employees.
Then when Overwaitea sold the warehouse to Loman's, the UFCW was good enough to sign a 10-year contract that's up now.
Now as we say goodbye to the Loman's warehouse employees, we stand and watch Overwaitea shift it's business to a new warehouse with very "special" non-UFCW working conditions.
In the end, were all the deals really worth it?
DeMoN and Captin Stub. all they do is tell people the good points about that A&P contract, I have been looking at it and its not as good as those guys tell people.
As I said before why does it not represent the part-time workers????
If you are going to tell "Members" the facts then tell them all of it!!
Well Scott why don't you tell us? I haven't seen the CBA myself, tell me what's not good about it. If the CAW does get certification at MG then I think they should know as well what you don't like about the deal so you don't end up with a blue print copy. Don't you agree?
Scott, the part time at A&P are under a different collective agreement than the full time. I'll get a copy of it ASP for you.
More bad news for the UFCW, it seems nobody wants them any more....
The membership at "SERCA FOODS DISTRIBUTION CENTRE - MILTON" decertified the UFCW after a 7 year "sweetheart", "auto wreck" deal was shoved down their throats.
Their will be a recognition vote Tuesday and Wednesday of this week, between the CAW and the Teamsters union.
The membership has spoken
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The membership at "SERCA FOODS DISTRIBUTION CENTRE - MILTON" decertified the UFCW after a 7 year "sweetheart", "auto wreck" deal was shoved down their throats.
Anyone have a link?
DeMoN: Could you tell us the results of the representation vote at the Serca warehouse after it happens? When was the UFCW decertification? Did they have a vote on that or was it a part of a lengthy OLRB proceeding into the relationship between the UFCW and Serca?
From what I hear it was about 2 months ago and into the 4th year of the 7 year deal. As you know any contract over 3 years has an open period for a few months in every year of the contract over 3 years, so they took advantage of the open period to decertify the UFCW and the vote tomorrow and Wednesday will decide who will represent them (either Teamsters or CAW).
I'll fill you in as I hear the news.
The membership has spoken
I read on the ufcw.ca site that Sobey's had sold SERCA to a US company... Sysco or something, from TexASS?
Any relevance?
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posted by DeMoN:
Scott, the part time at A&P are under a different collective agreement than the full time. I'll get a copy of it ASP for you.
Why would you not have brought that in and show-boated it around like you do with everything else your almighty CAW has done?
The membership at "SERCA FOODS DISTRIBUTION CENTRE - MILTON" decertified the UFCW after a 7 year "sweetheart", "auto wreck" deal was shoved down their throats.
Well If thats the case why dont you apply for a job there or is it you like to be some where in which you can bitch about everything?
The membership has spoken
The membership did not speak....You again were just flapping your lips !
OH ITS TRUE...ITS DAMN TRUE
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The membership did not speak
Well then... what happened?
Scott if the Membership didn't decertify the UFCW at SERCA FOODS DISTRIBUTION CENTRE - MILTON then could you please tell me who did?
Like I keep telling you Scott, the UFCW is going to be nothing but a distant (bad) memmory in 10 years. Disassociate yourself from them before it's too late, and get educated to whats possible with a real (democratic) union.
Why don't you look to John Erickson for guidance, he wasn't afraid of what other 1000a members would think of him, because he's putting the good of the membership ahead of his personal needs.
Scott, you keep coming to this forum, but you still don't tell use why the UFCW is a better union for Maple Grove.
When are we having a general membership meeting at Maple Grove? It's been over 8 months since we opened, and from what I see we desperately need one......
DeMoN, or your Captin Stubing
Please answer the following;
1. Why dont the CAW reperesent part - time workers.
2. Why did the CAW agree in 2001 to strip seniority from those workers in Burlington (16 yrs reduced to January 2000 seniority date)
3. Why would the CAW blend Warehouse and Transport thereby creating a situation where many many current Warehouse people in there now would see about 100-150 workers (from Transport) jump ahead of them in seniority.
OH ITS TRUE ITS DAMN TRUE!!!!
:sigh:
Again: If the "membership did not speak" in decertifying then what happened?
Regarding N.G. aka LCE unionized transportation workers---------
In my opinion--IF transport went to brokers(third party) and the members were off the road
they SHOULD be moved into the warehouse with full company seniority BUMPING RIGHTS!
If a man has 1 more day with the company than me I AM EXPECTED TO HONOUR IT------
If a tansport member loses his licence you got to let him/her in the warehouse--make-room
What ever happened to respect for years of service??? I miss the old guys/they were the best and they helped built the company we work for today 
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posted by DeMoN:
Like I keep telling you Scott, the UFCW is going to be nothing but a distant (bad) memmory in 10 years. Disassociate yourself from them before it's too late, and get educated to whats possible with a real (democratic) union.
Tell us "DEMON" how is that you can sit on here and spew your rhetoric that the CAW is a democratic union. I posted some time ago; how when workers in the "CAW" wanted to change unions they were stripped and "Black Balled" for doing so? Why is it that your "CAW" supporters have scared the crap out of your "EX" membership...to the point that they tell "UFCW" supporters that "THEY" will sign and support the "UFCW" but QUOTE " don't let anyone know that I am supporting the UFCW cause the "CAW" will make my life hell"????Is this your point of membership democracy?
Why don't you look to John Erickson for guidance, he wasn't afraid of what other 1000a members would think of him, because he's putting the good of the membership ahead of his personal needs.
Hmmmmmmm...........let me get this straight..........you think that John Erickson is supporting the "CAW". Well isn't that funny.........Mr. Erickson is telling the "UFCW" supporters that he makes statements to the "CAW" as he has a history with his family. He has made it clear that he supports the "UFCW" to workers in Maple Grove..........and "if" a vote were to happen he would have to make the decision at that time. Here to me is a classic player and is fear full of losing what he has. Where is his true loyalty..........no one will ever no.......only him.
Scott, you keep coming to this forum, but you still don't tell use why the UFCW is a better union for Maple Grove.
I have read Scott's past post's and it appears to me that he has stated many times why he supports the "UFCW". You "Demon" and your little following on here refuse to accept his reason's and attack him.
I would like you "DEMON" to tell us all why "YOU" think that the "CAW" is the best union to represent the workers at "MAPLE GROVE" and what are you and the "CAW" going to do for us the workers in "MAPLE GROVE"?????????????????
When are we having a general membership meeting at Maple Grove? It's been over 8 months since we opened, and from what I see we desperately need one......[/QB]
Well "DEMON" let me help answer that question. I talked to the "UNION REPS" and they said that there will be a General Meeting in the spring of this year as per the "Connstitution". They explained to me that they are aware of all the issues in the "Warehouse" and they are dealing right now with a lot of issues from the membership. They explained that they are running ragged as a result of the "CAW RAID". They went on to say that not only are they trying to fight for workers rights in the work place "Against the Employer" they are also dealing with individual added pressure from the "Raid". They explained to me that a lot of their time is also spent on dealing with "LIES" from the "CAW inside Organizers" and educating the membership on what the "TRUE" facts are. They said if it wasn't for the "LIES" and "HALF TRUTHS" from the inside organizers and the "CAW" then it would be a lot easier to deal with "GRIEVANCE" issues .
It is workers like you "DEMON" who are wasting our time with the reps, and we are having to wait longer for them to help us, because you are wasting their time with your questions that you already know the answer to in order to cause shit and confusion as a result of you not getting your own way.
"I HAVE AN OPINION"
It appears that my responses have been integrated with "DEMONS" quotes. I apologize but I am sure that you can figure out what is a statement from "DEMON" and what the reply is. Sorry for any confusion that has been caused.
"I HAVE AN OPINION"
quote:
posted by <I HAVE AN OPINION>:
It appears that my responses have been integrated with "DEMONS" quotes. I apologize but I am sure that you can figure out what is a statement from "DEMON" and what the reply is. Sorry for any confusion that has been caused.
"I HAVE AN OPINION"
Mr. I.H.A.O
I could not say it better myself I really do appriciate you taking the time and sticking up for me.
As for DeMoN Don't mind him, He is uneducated on what he says and he only believes what he wants to believe.
He put a reply up earlier saying that there is a seperate contract for Part-time Employees at A&P.
BS!!!!
Is this is just one of the examples of lies this guy says to people.
I was getting sympathetic to guys like DeMoN not to long ago, But after hearing the crap he is telling his co-workers forget it!
OH ITS TRUE, ITS DAMN TRUE!!!
I Have an opinion fella! My hope and desire is a CAW rescue!
A full repost I move back--Not a problem for me with CAW 
Just a friendly reminder from your neighbourhood administrator:
Don't feed the trolls.
Why CAW by john e.
-better constitution and by-laws
-better resources/easily accesible
-chance to negotiate paid education leave
-chance to negotiate personal lawyer benefit
-stonger representation[thru education]/consistency
-chance to negotiate shorter contracts
-intensive extensive education programs at Port Elgin
-100%Canadian
-Buzz Hargrove our National President(whom is bound by CA)
I've experienced 15yrs. with UFCW1000a and I hope for
NEW DIRECTION through CAW or massive reform unto UFCW
Scott, If I didn't know you better i'd say you were on drugs when you posted those questions!
C'mon Scott all the questions you asked and the ones that "I have an opinion" asked were answered by myself or one of the brothers so I won't repeat them (do a search on MFD and find them).
Scott, don't get too caught up in all the rhetoric that you heard at your "Action Member/Party/Brainwashing meetings" that you had today.
From your tone, I would say that you got slapped down for your "reformist thinking"!
You were on the right road when you saw a need do address the current issues at Maple Grove, but now you've gotten lost again.
Remmember you'll be working at Maple Grove for a lot of years and you'll have to live with the decisions you make these next few months.
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posted by wannabeCAW:
Why CAW by john e.
-better constitution and by-laws
-better resources/easily accesible
-chance to negotiate paid education leave
-chance to negotiate personal lawyer benefit
-stonger representation[thru education]/consistency
-chance to negotiate shorter contracts
-intensive extensive education programs at Port Elgin
-100%Canadian
-Buzz Hargrove our National President(whom is bound by CA)
I've experienced 15yrs. with UFCW1000a and I hope for
NEW DIRECTION through CAW or massive reform unto UFCW
better constitution and by-laws
Tell us how their "Constitution and by-laws are better?
-better resources/easily accesible
Don't understand how their resources and accessibility are better than "UFCW" can you eloborate?????
-chance to negotiate paid education leave
"UFCW" has union business leave already negotiated in the current collective agreement. Is you suggestion to change the name??
-chance to negotiate personal lawyer benefit
Do all "CAW" contracts have this benefit.....further more what stops you from making this a proposal with the "UFCW"? And; do you think if this was a "CAW" represented workforce that you would receive this benefit? Would you be willing to make this proposal a "STRIKING" issue in order to achieve this? Do you think that the majority of the workers would go on "Strike" in order to achieve your proposal?
-stonger representation[thru education]/consistency
hmmmmmm......... are you suggesting that the "REPS" in "MG" are not educated? Do you think that the "CAW" has better educated reps? Are you suggesting that the "REPS" are not consistant?
-chance to negotiate shorter contracts
If NG came to the table with a 6 year deal that the "CAW" would ask the workers to strike in order to make the term shorter?
-intensive extensive education programs at Port Elgin
Can you tell us what percentage of the over 200 thousand members have had an opportunity to attend this so called prestigious education center?
Do you know how many "UFCW" members have had the opportunity to attend traing courses with the "UFCW"?
-100%Canadian
"UFCW" has a strong "CANADIAN" identity and a "CANADIAN COUNCIL" to deal with CANADIAN issues.
-Buzz Hargrove our National President(whom is bound by CA)
"OUR" i don't think so.........and if my info is right he is not even "YOUR".
I fail to see your point with this statment,,,can you elaborate??
Sooooooooo...............Mr. Erickson can you answer the questions as stated........I sure can....but I feel it is only appropriate to allow you do so.
"I HAVE AN OPINION"
[QUOTE]posted by DeMoN:
[QB]
C'mon Scott all the questions you asked and the ones that "I have an opinion" asked were answered by myself or one of the brothers so I won't repeat them (do a search on MFD and find them).
Well........I searched the site and can't find your answers to my questions........is this to suggest that you do not have an answer, and you are hiding behind this "MFD" site. Maybe I am blind or have missed it. If it is there, maybe you can cut and paste these answers for us all. Or maybe you can just concede that you can't substantiate you thoughts.
"I HAVE AN OPINION"
I shall explain more later for I am tired.
But one point of fact The CAW Constitution and by-laws was drafted
by Bob White along with the aid of Buzz Hargrove CAW wins when up
against the UFCW book of rules.
quote:
posted by wannabeCAW:
I shall explain more later for I am tired.
But one point of fact The CAW Constitution and by-laws was drafted
by Bob White along with the aid of Buzz Hargrove CAW wins when up
against the UFCW book of rules.
For we all await your wisdom and explanation. We will await in anticipation of your thoughts. Please therefore do not dissapoint us, for all we await true education from Mr. John Erickson.
"I HAVE AN OPINION"
IHAO, you have no right whatsoever to demand answers. You and your pals have not answered one single question put to you so far. Likewise, you have not presented on subtantiated fact about what is so damned good about the UFCW. You come here and attack and dodge questions. That's about it.
But think about it weiser, it's a good thing that IHAO is here. How can the UFCW attack a web site that is so extensively used by its supporters and representatives to advance its own cause? I mean, what are they going to argue before the judge: "We'd like portions of the MFD site censored your Honour - those ones where our guys aren't doing the talking."
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posted by weiser:
IHAO, you have no right whatsoever to demand answers. You and your pals have not answered one single question put to you so far. Likewise, you have not presented on subtantiated fact about what is so damned good about the UFCW. You come here and attack and dodge questions. That's about it.
hmmmmmm......I fail to see where I have "DEMANDED" answers. Furthermore.....I believe that i can ask anything on this site that I so choose and the readers have a choice to respond when and if they so choose. And just to conclude If you take the time to read my past posts I have answered a lot of questions...........put your glasses on "WEISER" I am sure you will see better.
Now if you are asking me why I like the "UFCW" Local 1000A.....I will tell you.
1. Local 1000A has demonstrated to us to be a Union that not only looks after it's own members but goes out of it's way to help all working people. In the case of MG.....they could have let the company hire them with "NO" I mean "NO" seniority for non UFCW members. But what did they do? They allowed for workers to come to MG with their full seniority.
2. The UFCW is a Union......who is the "Union". It is us the workers......and I happen to like the workers......therefore I like the "UFCW".
3. The Leadership of Local 1000A is not afraid to get involved and talk with the members on daily issues.
4. Local 1000A.....has very well educated staff reps in the warehouse. I have a lot of respect for them given the crap that they have had to deal with between the company and the "CAW supporters".
5. We have a great Collective Agreement thanks to the Leadership and the committee members.
6. I like what the UFCW Local 1000A stands for.
"I HAVE AN OPINION"
quote:
2. The UFCW is a Union......who is the "Union". It is us the workers......and I happen to like the workers......therefore I like the "UFCW".
What the hell kind of answer is that?
Scott Mcpherson
quote:
2. The UFCW is a Union......who is the "Union". It is us the workers......and I happen to like the workers......therefore I like the "UFCW".
That is the type of answer that is typical of our "UNeducated" union staff at maple Grove.
Just one of the "Kitchener" committee members has more education than all of the UFCW 1000a executive and stewards at Maple Grove combined.
The only reason anything is getting done to protect the employees at Maple Grove is because the CAW supporters stand up for their rights (the UFCW calls it whining).
I think the UFCW spends 100% of their time fighting the "boogy-man" instead of doing what the membership is paying them for.
Maple Grove is an ergonomic nightmare and they refuse to do a thing (makes me wonder if they know what "ergonomics" means). The injury count is going up so fast I can't keep track of it any more. I would say at this rate we'll be at 50% of the workforce before the year is out.
It's getting to the point that our members are bypassing the union and doing the dirty work for themselves.
Still no sign of a membership meeting over here either (8 months and counting) tic toc, tic toc.....
The membership has spoken
quote:
posted by <I HAVE AN OPINION>:
2. The UFCW is a Union......who is the "Union". It is us the workers......and I happen to like the workers......therefore I like the "UFCW".
So, when the CAW moves into Maple Grove, it will still be us... the workers. You happen to like the workers, therefore... you will like the CAW.
quote:
it will still be us... the workers
Could someone paint a picture for us? What would a normal day be like at Maplegrove for the workers?
siggy, you know you'll have nightmares if we tell you "The Horror Of Maple Grave" one more time...
It's too late to put something together before work so i'll wait till tonight, unless someone else gets to it first.
The membership has spoken
quote:
posted by DeMoN:
That is the type of answer that is typical of our "UNeducated" union staff at maple Grove.
BLA BLA BLA
Just one of the "Kitchener" committee members has more education than all of the UFCW 1000a executive and stewards at Maple Grove combined.
How would one know why kind of education all us members have?????
By the way do you know that I have a collage education?
The only reason anything is getting done to protect the employees at Maple Grove is because the CAW supporters stand up for their rights (the UFCW calls it whining).
That is a load of crap if I have ever heard it!!
Everytime the UFCW does something for the membership You and the rest of your little Group "Thanks to the CAW" IE: when the workers from Kitchener finally got there back pay you went around and told people the CAW got them that money
YOU ARE SO FULL OF CRAP!!!!!!!!!
I think the UFCW spends 100% of their time fighting the "boogy-man" instead of doing what the membership is paying them for.
You and the rest of you "Criers and Whinners" (CAW) are making this BS threat of a vote is taking too much of our time
Maple Grove is an ergonomic nightmare and they refuse to do a thing (makes me wonder if they know what "ergonomics" means). The injury count is going up so fast I can't keep track of it any more. I would say at this rate we'll be at 50% of the workforce before the year is out.
instead of whinning about it DO SOMETHING about it!!
It's getting to the point that our members are bypassing the union and doing the dirty work for themselves.
Please talk for yourself
Still no sign of a membership meeting over here either (8 months and counting) tic toc, tic toc.....
If you would take the time to ask Brian or Don about this you would know it is in the spring and in the fall
Or do you need to be like an old maid and bitch about everything......Time to Grow-up DeMoN
The membership has spoken [/QB][/QUOTE]
What membership you Kitchener guys have never had a CAW contract before
OH ITS TRUE, ITS DAMN TRUE!
quote:
I have a collage education
(emphasis added)
Sorry, couldn't resist. 
I Have an opinion guy you are spineless unregistered! Go ahead with your ufcw rhetoric.I don't know the ufcw constitution too well[scarce],I really thought you guys would black-ball me! But I ain't scared of none of you ufcw I just want to try and stick to the high road!
I want to be CAW more than ever because of the anonymity of cowards like you. I shall go with my new brothers to the GMM whenever you salary union guys are ready!
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posted by slek:
(emphasis added)quote:
I have a collage education
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Slek I have really got to enjoy your comments..
LOL
Later
In My Opinion:
1st. "history of holding shift meetings at numerous times during the year"
- Is this what UFCW calls a Membership Meeting?
2nd. M.G. opened in August 2001, 8 months have passed, doesn't that mean we should have had a meeting in the fall? Why is the UFCW afraid of holding a general meeting?
If, in fact, they are dealing with problems and issues at M.G., let them tell us how they are doing that in a general meeting or would you prefer that the membership take the issues onto the floor and get into arguements with each other and let management see our fragmented solidarity?
3rd. "you criticize everything about the UFCW"
- because we can
- because it needs to be done
- because we want a more democratic representation at M.G.
4th. In My Opinion - you should stick your head back in the sand.
I Have An Opinion:
1. "if you need more particulars"
- we do, so please explain
2. CAW is willing to at least enforce a C.B.A., unlike UFCW who seem to tweak and change their agreements as they go!
3. Those 2 items seem very important in the day to day operations within M.G.
4. Kitchener P/T start wages went down after 1000A in Erin Mills capitulated for the company back in 1995. That started a snowball effect for ALL other N.G. warehouses.
- the union in Kitchener did not want to open the C.B.A., as you know there are certain ramifications in doing so, it may be better to have the company bleed for a little while and see what happens with the other warehouses that are friendly with the company.
- ok you're correct, CAW is more concerned about FULL TIME jobs
What about UFCW????? How many part time vs full time employees do you have under contract? What's the ratio?
To Scott:
What do you have, three years senority? Do you really think you can represent the workers at M.G.? Maybe you should sit back and listen objectively. This is probably the only union you've ever worked for. Don't be afraid of change, it can be beneficial for all of us. What do you think will happen when they shut down Erin Mills? Surveyor Rd., Freemont, Cambridge General Merchandise and open a big ass plant north of Toronto? The company and the union will once again get together and screw all of us low life workers. Take a good look at how Loblaws got to the top - they couldn't have done it without the UFCW.
Vote for the CAW, it's your best chance at keeping your job and your rights intact at M.G..
Mr 1000a sucks great post thanks my brother you are a voice that needs to be heard!
The UFCW continues to be a top down union with the rank and file frustrated and left feeling unheard! This will change! I personally am embarassed to be a part of this ufcw.
From the outside looking in the CAW is for sure the most logical choice in dealing with Mgrave
issues. UFCW is detrimental to the rank and file
where fear runs rampant inside all the sheep's minds. Vote CAW and stand up with confidence against the machines taking advantage of us each and everyday. We deserve TRUE LEADERSHIP from an ELECTED Maplegrove Commitee
Just wondering what the UFCW has been doing in regards to traing? Are all issues being adressed such as seniority, technique or consistency??
I'm very interested in the comments that 1000a only holds membership meetings twice a year. Somebody said that the UFCW International Constitution requires that GMMs be held no further than four months apart.
What's interesting is that everyone keeps harping about the UFCW International Constitution as if it means something. It only means something if it's enforced.
UFCW Local 777 went two years past the terms for all officers and only called an election when the whistle was blown. Because the terms had expired, there was really no one who could say that he or she was the rightful union officer. In that case, the International would have been within it's rights to step in an run the Local with a Trustee. Did they? No they didn't. The let the guy whose term had expired keep running the local. He was quietly told to hold an election.
That election that was supposed to happen in 1993 never did happen until 1995. That's when HJFinnamore agreed to step out of the running for Secretary Treasurer. HJ blew the whistle on the Local 777 guys and only then did the election happen.
If the UFCW International holds such low regard for Local Union elections, why would anyone think that they would get all that upset about a Local only having two GMMs a year?
If the CAW is such a better Union than UFCW then why did they allow the P/T to take wage cut back in 1995. " 4. Kitchener P/T start wages went down after 1000A in Erin Mills capitulated for the company back in 1995. That started a snowball effect for ALL other N.G. warehouses ." Why is UFCW to blame for that? The CAW negotiated that part of their contract on their own and The CAW membership aproved it... not UFCW " CAW is more concerned about FULL TIME jobs What about UFCW????? How many part time vs full time employees do you have under contract? What's the ratio? " As for the ratio read the little green book that they gave you.. in there it will tell you that for every P/T there sould be two full time...correct me if I'm wrong. You are grasping at straws... because the UFCW does things differently then the CAW doesn't make the a lesser Union. ie union meetings. Honestly If we even had a meeting would it not turn into an all out brawl. If the UFCW sucks so much.... leave I don't see anyone.....I mean anyone keeping you at M.G. I don't see any chains or bars holding U here. UFCW have a good contract... why not work together to improve it and our union... If you don't like the way we do things stop complaining and help change them, their are long standing UFCW members who what reform. We have a mixture of diferent Unions why not try to get the best idea's, proceedures, etc...etc... to make UFCW better. Rumor has it that is the near future M.G. will be building the fresh meat section at the north end of the building beside dairy. That is alot more day shift jobs and postings to go up that certian senior staff would be posting for hint. hint. good thing come to those who wait....
"everyone is entitled to my opinion"is back and ready to educate all open-minded people of Maplegrove.
I must use this time to encourage all workers at Maplegrove to keep asking those important questions that concern you. It is only then that you will learn the truth about this confusing situation.
Stay clear of the cancerous complainers of Maplegrove and decide for yourself. The worst thing happening right now is the company taking advantage of this ridiculous situation.
To those selfish CAW supporters, I encourage you to put on the "black and white" shirts, as you will be welcomed with open arms.
Well, "eetmopinion", please explain why you think CAW supporters are selfish while UFCW supporters are not, or are you saying all union supporters are selfish?
We could re-work an old maxim to, "If you can't support it with facts, lay a foundation of bullshit disguiesed as "opinion."
There's always a place for opinion, but opinion usually has some sort of fact or logic to back it up. I say this with the understanding that faith and religion are somewhat different.
Is the UFCW some sort of religion? Is that why there some believe so fervently in the UFCW?
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posted by siggy:
Could someone paint a picture for us? What would a normal day be like at Maplegrove for the workers?quote:
it will still be us... the workers
A normal day will be Thursday March 28 \02 ,which is when perishable aft./night workers will be given the paid holiday Good Friday(as per Easter). Long time members in 1000a are used to this "need for the business"/ So Thurs is deemed the holiday and the actual Friday
shall be distribution as usual with most all aft/nt scheduled to work at regular pay! My argument is that I believe Article 12 paragraph 5 in our CA be amended to a clause where the holiday can NOT be moved without satisfactory $$ to compensate for time LOST with our families. So many rules make our CA inferior to the point of
:confused and quizzing frustration:
Do I understand correctly, 1000a workers will work the preferential thurs at time + 1/2 and have the weekend off, while others will work the stat (fri. night) at regular time, losing premium pay and time with their family at easter?
My question is simple how can a union like the ufcw1000a fail to negotiate for its workers a premium for working the holiday, or time and a half, or something like double time plus the stat?ufcw has failed its membership by allowing this to happen. Next question is why is the ufcw being decertified in other workplaces outside of maple grove? Please ask yourself why? ask a ufcw member why alot of there brothers and sisters gave up on the ufcw and switched unions?
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posted by siggy:
Do I understand correctly, 1000a workers will work the preferential thurs at time + 1/2 and have the weekend off, while others will work the stat (fri. night) at regular time, losing premium pay and time with their family at easter?
Not to be confused this is what is written:
article 12 section .05:
When a Paid Holiday falls on a Monday, for those employees who are scheduled to work on a Monday afternoon or night shift, the Paid Holiday will be deemed to be the Monday afternoon or night. For those employees scheduled to work a Sunday shift, the holiday will be deemed to be the Sunday afternoon or night. When a Paid Holiday falls on any other day
than a Monday,the afternoon or night before shall be deemed the holiday. The provisions of this clause are directory only and the Company reserves the right to make whatever adjust-
ments [that] are required to satisfy the needs of the business.
What determines who gets to work the stat? Do senior employees have the option of working the time_and_a half day if they choose?
The business as referred above is grocery distribution. And I believe this clause is geared
towards having to be for the perishable departments need to be one day ahead of the stores for which receive our produce and dairy!
My argument is not to move the Holiday for any reason!
What is good for the dayshift should be equal upon afternoons and nights!
quote:
What is good for the dayshift should be equal upon afternoons and nights!
Doesn't each day (including stats) have 24 hrs?
Siggy we get double time for actual hours worked on a holiday in addition to pay for such
Holiday! Extra day overtime shall be assigned ; by seniority,by area,by shift, by qualifications
and ability necessary to perform the work. The problem is moving the holiday not paying the
rank and filers what they deserve when it is appropriate! We have what they call Lieu days
to compensate for being FORCED to work the Holiday.
UFCW you were asked the question why? wasn,t a general membership meeting held in the past 8 months, UFCW answer there will be a meeting in the spring. Well Ufcw the first day of spring was March 21/2002, when will the meeting be held its know spring.
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My argument is not to move the Holiday for any reason
Loads of industries move the holiday to suit.
What would be the advantage to secure the actual holiday day if "Extra day overtime shall be assigned ; by seniority,by area,by shift, by qualifications and ability necessary to perform the work.". Seniority rules!
wannabecaw can u tell me if we work on good friday will we be getting paid doulbe time even if the company/union declared our holiday to be the day before thursday?
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posted by <caw4transport>:
wannabecaw can u tell me if we work on good friday will we be getting paid doulbe time even if the company/union declared our holiday to be the day before thursday?
Your holiday has been moved to thurs. so only if you work thurs. will you get 2X. On Friday
you will get straight time if it is your normally scheduled shift! PINION HEAD can correct me if I am Wrong
siggy, the problem is the afternoon and night shift get the day before the holiday off and have to work the actual holiday at "regular pay" because the day before was the actual holiday for us, and the holiday is just another day in the life of the afternoon and night shift.
What we want is to have everyone get the actual holiday off and the company can post an overtime shift on the holiday and pay anyone who works, double time plus the holiday pay for working on a holiday.
This way the members can have the holiday with their family "or" sign up for overtime and get paid double time + the holiday pay.
We never had a problem at the Kitchener warehouse filling up the overtime shift on a holiday, so the company can't say they that would be a problem.
Why the UFCW doesn't ask the company to change the holiday shifts is beyond me.....
ok what if i work wed into thursday the hours worked after midnight should be double time would you think? maybe wannabecaw?
<caw4transport>
quote:
ok what if i work wed into thursday the hours worked after midnight should be double time would you think?
Now this makes sense to you and me, but would it to the UFCW?
Demon the ufcw does not want to rock the boat and the ufcw will have to pay the next round of golf when they are golfing with the company.!
I,m looking forward to the day THE BIG BLUE BUS ROLLS IN TO TOWN AND KICKS THE UFCW OUT OF MAPLE GROVE.
Here's some more news to chew on:
CAW RATIFY NEW 3yr DEAL AT NATIONAL GROCERS PETERBOROUGH BY OVER 80%.
They had the ratification vote on Friday, and they did it without:
1)a strike
2)a lockout
3)going third party
4)closing the warehouse
5)concessions
6)voluntary recognition
7)good economic times
and the UFCW said it couldn't be done.....
The golf shall be free on the backs of the Rank and Filers.aka
known as criers and whiners~~~~~~shame on you ufcw~~~~~
The astounding salaries of our ufcw leaders does not reflect
on us the $$$$$$DUES$$$$$$$$ source! Our standard of
living is in decline as a result of ufcw's voluntary Wrecks
if i,m correct the way its know I will not be getting any holiday pay or premium, this is wrong, i,ve been screwed by the union who I pay union dues to, and since i pay union dues I deserve the right to express my opininon at a general membership meeting, so call the meeting, and lets dance!
<caw4transport>
I think they're very afraid of a room full of NON 1000a members showing up and demanding action from "our" union.
demon i was going to get to the peterbourgh thing but you covered it amen brother. Lets get this straight a 3 year deal not a 6 year deal like the ufcw likes to negotiate. way to go c.a.w
demon can u tell us some of the highlights of the agreement at peterbourgh? I would like to share the info with my brothers in the transport department.
demon can u tell us some of the highlights of the agreement at peterbourgh? I would like to share the info with my brothers in the transport department.
Ya, none of that 6,7,8,9 year deals crap that the UFCW loves......
Maybe someone can tell me why the Ufcw is not welcome @fortinos warehouse in hamilton anymore?
I don't have the highlights of the C.A. yet but I will soon.
Hey there was an Erin Mills driver in on Saterday and he was wishing us the best with our campaign to get rid of the UFCW. He said the drivers are trying to kick the UFCW out too!
Every day, more and more members want to get rid of the UFCW.... hmmmm...... I wonder why!
demon interesting you talk about erin mill drivers I talked 2 drivers who are saying they are taking steps to decertify the ufcw @ erin mills, wonder why? maybe just tired of the promises and lies.
Many well wishers abound from throughout CANADA to send
the UFCW packing.Like I said before pinion head we don't need
you union salary non elects walking us backwards we have
your sheep to do that!
please ufcw call a general membership meeting, you owe it to us. And please bring all your handlers, leave nobody behind at the office lets discuss the issue of the day, that are affecting the workers @ maplegrove. I would not be surprised if you chicken out.
Do ya think the UFCW 1000a is going to be too busy trying to keep from loosing Maple Grove and the Erin Mills drivers to have a meeting or get anything done about our issues........
Can you hear Mr transport "OUT OF ORDER" that is the
the ignorance of these guys! The dictators will speak!
How will we handle GROSS IGNORANCE????????
demon you are right the ufcw will spend all there time and money in fighting to keep a real union out., its a fact the ufcw has spent 200000.00 thousands dollars of the union members dues/monies to fight the caw. but my friend the ufcw is taking our union dues every week and you and i should have at least a say even it they don,t listen at the end of a general meeting.
I will be leaving for know since I found this site I promise one thing I will be back. I will continue to call for a general membership meeting and I will call for an open review of our present leadership on a daily basis. goodnight and please remember judgment day will come on vote day.
Ok, holidays.... First a couple of questions; why do we get a holiday on the day Christ died but we don't on the day he arose from the dead and ascended into heaven? and why if the UFCW is such a great union have they not tabled that in bargaining?
Second, their are reasons why you negotiate at the start of a contract. It establishes the rules of conduct for all parties during the life of the agreement. Yet the UFCW is infamous for dicking around with the deals after the fact to make employers happy. Why?
The Holiday is Friday, that's what the deal say's because it's a religious holiday. "Good Friday"... remember????? I'm quite certain even a UFCW hack can read a calendar. I don't give a tinkers damn what problems the employers have it's blasphemy to move this holiday around for any reason. If it's that big a problem shut it all down for a day. Otherwise show some respect.
Makes no difference when Jesus gets back!
If the 2x is paid on Thurs. then the Wed._night_shift and Thurs._day_shift and Thurs._afternoon_shift should get the 2x.
If "Extra day overtime shall be assigned ; by seniority", then I still don't see the problem!
siggy, it's just the afternoon shift and the night shift that have "Good Thursday" the day shift has "Good Friday" like the rest of the world.
This holiday mess is probably just one of MANY things the UFCW used to buy their "voluntary recognition" from Loblaws.
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the day shift has "Good Friday" like the rest of the world.
The rest of the world is working too! Some poor UFCW and other souls are working on Good Friday (time+1/2) and on Easter Sunday (straight time). Retail never shuts down! Retail needs a union!
actually, the stores here are closed on Good Friday and on Easter Sunday, (the UFCW offices are closed Friday & Monday)......
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the stores here are closed on Good Friday and on Easter Sunday
Retail used to be closed in B.C. too! Members can add that change to the list of UFCW trade-offs too!
I'm sure they intend on give that away here too, if they ever get a chance at negotiations with Loblaws again.
I'm sure the Zehrs and Loblaws membership are ready to "decert" the UFCW when the chance comes and get a REAL union to get all those giveaways back.
Of course the union offices are closed on Good Friday and Easter Monday, they lead by example. They want to show you all the good things of life that you should aspire to get.
You should want 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 workdays.
You should want all weekends off.
You should want a $75 thousand per year paycheque.
You should want several company-paid trips accross Canada and one or two to exotic places (all for business of cours) every year or so.
You should all want a company-paid car....
YA! what's your point?
[banging my head against a wall] We get "boxing day" off with pay, a day when we take back all the crapy gifts we really didn't want in exchange for ones we do. Yet we don't get Easter Sunday off as a paid holiday. Why is it I feel alone in thinking there is something very wrong with that picture?
Things are closed out there on those two days? even after Harris? Good for you guys...so what's the deal then with Friday? [which starts thurs at Midnight and ends Fri at midnight] wouldn't that cover both shifts???
In defence of working on an actual holiday: being in distribution
in produce and dairy to near 200 stores is fact! The highly perishable
product has to be assembled loaded and delivered on a day where
regular folk (our families) enjoy the Holiday at home away from work.
Therefore we must deliver the goods,BUT I propose that the CA
be amended to the effect; NO moving of days to confuse the issue
---every member gets PAID HOLIDAY ---the requirments should
be straightforward as 2X {absolute} for working on Holiday,offered
by seniority. If there is insufficient # for men working then go by
reverse seniority. Those being needed and REQUIRED to work
shall be given a day in LIEU at the employees satisfaction.~~~~
Heads remember NO moving of Holiday///2X on working Holiday
Simple Respect Aint It------Stop the Oppression! power to the
LEFT
Could someone please explain how i will be paid for this week? my days off are wed\thurs and the company allowed me to move my shift sat to wed and have the sat off. Subsequently, i was informed that i would be paid time and a half on wed, also , i worked an additional 3 hours on that day.Do i get double time and a half for those 3 hours??,,,,,,,,,,,help!
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NO!!!
The reason that the Company gave us a strange day off for the holidays is so DeMoN would have something to complain about at MG.....
All honestly I did not like how the Stat holiday was given out but I do like the double time pay I got for going in then!!
AArrgghh....The frustrations of work! Being a short week for distribution proved a difficult task.
I remember all the childish rules of our workplace when we get put behind cause of volume. Childish rules no this none of that and then ufcw says be thankful we have jobs.B.S.
The company should be grateful they have lots of experienced workers!
A couple days ago really got my hair up! There was seven salary men standing uselessly
watching two union men receive trucks!
Do you see pro ufcw men that the company is getting such a good deal on our labor costs they can afford to have seven management standing with their hands in their pockets!
And ufcw vs. caw pro ufcw men seem to like long six year contracts! CAW will NOT bargain past 3 yrs.(unless authorized by Buzz Hargrove) Anyone who has half an education will realise long contracts only benefit the company. Did you ufcw men really think the company was doing us a favour by giving 6 year contracts(now a normal thing).
Remember the oppresion of our new brothers and sisters,,, hopefully one day y'all feel their pain the way I do. ````````out with the [ufcw]sickness